"Ain't Gonna Happen" Surrey Day 4 Oval


By Farmer White
April 19 2024

Farmer returns to a reporting role with comment on the fourth day of the Championship game at the Oval with Surrey looking to win the tie while Somerset try to make their way back from another all too familiar first innings collapse. It was going so well... Welcome back Old Man White!!

County Championship 2024. Division 1. Surrey v Somerset 12th, 13th, 14th  and 15th April The Oval.

Jack Leach, (knee injury) and Tom Abell (hamstring) were unavailable.

Surrey. R.J. Burns (c), D.P. Sibley, O.J.D. Pope, D.W. Lawrence, J.L. Smith, B.T. Foakes (w), C.T. Steel, J. Clark, J. Overton, A.A.P. Atkinson, K.A.J Roach.

Somerset, M.T. Renshaw, S.R. Dickson, T.A. Lammonby, L.P. Goldsworthy, T. Banton, J.E.K. Rew (w), L. Gregory (c), C. Overton, K.L. Aldridge, M. Pretorius, S. Bashir.

Overnight. Somerset 285 and 204 for 6. Surrey 428.  Surrey lead by 61 runs with four first innings wicket standing.

Final day. 15th April – “It ain’t gonna happen

“It ain’t gonna happen,” were the words of the Somerset supporter with me at the end of the third day when I suggested that Somerset would have to bat at least until tea on the final day to have a chance of saving the match. It seemed a reasonable statement for him to make at the time. Somerset were six wickets down and only 61 runs ahead. Even on a flat pitch with the Kookaburra ball, the thought that Somerset’s last four wickets could bat for four hours or more on the final day was, as they say, for the birds. Perhaps it was. The pigeons which pick at the grass at the edges of the practice pitches in front of the Galadari Stand gave their wings a rest and stayed the entire final day as a slow-motion drama unfolded in front of them. As to spectators, most had voted with their feet. Leaving aside those sensibly hidden behind glass as winter had another swipe, at those sitting in the shade at least. By my count there were about two hundred in the ground, a far cry from the near four thousand of the first day. The match was, after all, essentially dead as a contest and if Somerset were to save it, it would be by dint of a substantial intervention by the weather. In the event, play began at ten minutes past twelve with 18 overs lost and the rain barely threatened again, but still, my Someret brain thought, it ain’t gonna happen.

With rain promised, I sat under cover at the bottom of the huge conference centre stand at the Vauxhall End. Initially, the sun bathed my seat, battling with that bitter wind. Surrey had to wait a dozen overs for the new ball and filled the wait with Jamie Overton and the spin of Cameron Steel and Dan Lawrence. In Overton’s first over, Lewis Gregory cut and drove him to the boundary twice and was twice beaten. It was typical of the play which immediately followed. Initially, Somerset did not seem content to defend their way to safety and, despite the age of the Kookaburra ball, the Surrey bowlers seemed intent on reminding them of their batting mortality as they occasionally found the edge of or passed the bat. Without taking undue risk, Somerset pushed forward. There was only one maiden in the 14 overs possible before lunch. Gregory found the boundary more than once and Kasey Aldridge kept the score moving with controlled pushes and guides. More often than is common, the ball was pushed for two into the vast expanse of The Oval outfield.  

For the watching Somerset supporter, every ball was a trial, for any ball might bring a wicket and Somerset had no wickets to spare. Even with the expectation of an early finish and a Surrey victory, that sliver of cricketing hope which dreams of the impossible being made possible burned in Somerset hearts. Perhaps, just perhaps, those last four wickets might hold out. Each time the hope pushed itself to the front of the Somerset mind it was dashed by a burst of reason which said, “It ain’t gonna happen.”

Then, “C’mon Surrey!” the cry from someone hoping from the Surrey side of the equation.  It was a hope no doubt bolstered by Kemar Roach taking the new ball three overs before lunch. Gasps of disappointment from one side and of relief from the other followed as Roach beat Gregory to no effect. In the over before lunch, an edge from Gregory which fell just short of first slip and an appeal which resulted in no more than a leg bye had hearts racing or missing a beat depending on who possessed the heart. Before that over, tension had just begun to bite as Somerset reached for lunch still six down. By the end of it, the ground was silent with tension. Then, hearts beat freely again as the lunchtime chatter took hold among the scattered watchers.

 

In those 14 overs before lunch, Somerset added 48 runs and took their lead to 109. But more important than runs, they had not lost a wicket. With 64 overs left in the day wickets were still the primary concern and, as the players returned to the field, I doubt many Somerset supporters held out hopes of saving the game. Five minutes later, any remaining hopes felt the crush of Aldridge’s wicket. He had just pushed Roach through point for two, hurried into the second run by a shout of, “Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.” Then Roach found the edge of a defensive bat and Aldridge was caught behind. Somerset 256 for 7. Aldridge 42. Lead 113. “Surrey!” the immediate response from a home supporter. A lump in the pit of the stomach, the likely response of most Somerset supporters

Now, Craig Overton joined Gregory. A back foot square drive off Jordan Clark from Overton was soon crossing the Galadari Stand boundary in defiance of the apparently inevitable, but it was ten overs before the ball crossed the boundary again. Overton and Gregory, vice-captain and captain, had clearly set themselves to grind through the afternoon if they could. “If only they could,” the tantalising Somerset thought in response to, “It ain’t gonna happen.” A late cut for two from Gregory off Roach came in the over after the boundary, but then followed eight overs with nothing more than a single. Just ten defiant runs coming in those eight overs. Somerset were marking time, wearing down the new ball. And as Somerset marked time in the middle, the Pavilion clock marked time with them. Slowly. The more often I looked, the more excruciatingly slow seemed the movement of the hands of the clock towards 3.40, the time fixed for tea on the final day.

Along the way Gregory opened the face to Clark and the resulting single brought up his fifty, but it didn’t seem to matter. All that mattered was that he was still there. Somerset’s lead was 126 but there were at least 58 overs left in the day and the equation still brought the same answer. “It ain’t gonna happen.” With Somerset still scoring in spasmodic singles, Lawrence forced an inside edge from Overton which fell short of leg slip. Now time stood still for a moment while the brain processed Somerset’s narrow escape. Then two straight drives and an on drive from Overton, all off Lawrence. All three reached the boundary, suggesting Somerset might be making a break for safety. But then the occasional gathering of singles resumed as Steel joined Lawrence and the tense quiet and the slow-moving clock returned.

For Surrey there was hope as Overton was twice struck on the pad, once by Lawrence and once by Steel, once playing no stroke. Both times, the ground held its breath, but the umpire remained as motionless as the hands of the clock on the Pavilion. “One was missing leg. Probably, “ said the text from the online watcher, “And the other was just missing off. Both probably umpire’s call.” It was not a message to settle the Somerset heart. Neither was, “That was out if it had hit,” after Overton had pushed a ball from brother Jamie to midwicket, turned halfway through the run and dived for the crease as Jamie intercepted the ball at short midwicket and threw at the stumps. The two brothers ended their exertions in separate heaps replicating the intensity of the contest.

As Craig Overton and Gregory continued to push their way forward, single by occasional single, towards tea, Somerset minds began to think, “Perhaps it might happen,” and to begin to relax as each single added to the pressure on Surrey. Gregory pulled Gus Atkinson straight towards Roach on the midwicket boundary. It was the same spot that Matt Renshaw had occupied on the second day when he had spilled a similar chance from Rory Burns. Roach caught the ball, but it bounced out of his hands, hit him on the forehead and fell to earth as the batters poached another single. Two balls later, Gregory edged through third slip when there wasn’t one and another single accrued. Two maidens later, Somerset walked off to tea with the score on 320 for 7 and a lead of 177. Not enough yet for safety given the pace at which modern batters can score, but hope continued to grow in the Somerset mind as Gregory and Overton continued to stand firm.

 

With the hope came superstition. Superstition has no force, and most cricket supporters know it. But no one wants to be the one who took a chance if their team then suffers a setback. So, when I left my seat for my teatime circumnavigation of the outfield, I noted my seat number, Row 18, Seat 339, to ensure I returned to the same seat after tea. The supporters who perambulated the outfield at tea were few and far between, but most of the two hundred or so who had been in the ground at lunchtime remained, such was the grip of a match which, despite the ball and the pitch, had refused to die.

For a while after tea the tension relaxed. Perhaps the interval had led to a resetting of expectations among supporters with Surrey having taken only one wicket in the preceding three hours and needing to take three more in fairly short order if they were to have a chance of winning. Somerset will have made the same calculation. Perhaps that led, after half a dozen more overs of spasmodic singles and a single boundary, to Overton launching another brief assault on the bowling. This time he drove Atkinson square for four and, in attempting to hook him, top edged him to fine leg for another four. Now Somerset led by 190 with 28 overs remaining, 26 after a change of innings. Not quite enough to make the match safe.

Pushing on, Gregory drove Steel for four, but when he attempted to cut him, the ball flew straight to Atkinson at backward point and Surrey had taken their wicket. There was a huge cheer from the Surrey supporters followed by a return of the tension as Surrey pushed the door to victory ajar. Somerset 345 for 8. Gregory 80 in four and a quarter hours. Lead 202. Overs remaining 26. Surrey would need to remove Somerset’s final two wickets quickly.

And remove them quickly they did. Migael Pretorius, on debut for Somerset, tried to slog sweep a ball from well outside off stump to somewhere over midwicket. The ball steepled towards the heavens from where it was caught by Dom Sibley pedalling backwards from short mid-off. Somerset 349 for 9. Lead 206. Pretorius nought. Shoaib Bashir turned Steel to fine leg for two but succumbed when he failed to get his bat down to the next, full, ball from Steel and was leg before wicket. Somerset 351 all out. Bashir 2. Overton 52 not out in over two and a half hours of solid defence and controlled run scoring. “Surrey!” and, “Come on Surrey!” the shouts from the crowd. There was no time to ponder whether Surrey would make the attempt, for they immediately made their intention clear by sprinting from the field.

 

After all the tension of the day, the weather twisted the screw another quarter turn, threatening to take the returning players off just as they reached the boundary rope. The umpires were already in the middle and removed the bails they had just put on. Hope for Somerset. Then, no sooner had the Somerset players climbed the stairs to their dressing room than the bails were back on. Hope for Surrey. Surrey would need 209 to win in 19 overs. It was a tantalising target. Eleven runs an over with no prospect of losing. Just within range in T20 but with no fielding or bowling restrictions. The tension was back now with a vengeance. For the few Somerset supporters who had stayed on for the fourth day, a match that had been on the brink of being saved, however unlikely that had seemed at the start of the day, was back in balance again. There was no pressure on Surrey, there was little prospect of them losing, caution could be thrown to the winds in an adrenaline-fuelled rush for victory. All the pressure was on Somerset. Row 18, Seat 339 suddenly felt very uncomfortable, whilst the few Surrey supporters in the seats near me were as suddenly sitting bolt upright.

Somerset began with six on the boundary, which soon became nine. Overton and Pretorius opened and mixed the bowling up, full, short, wide and straight, but it all came the same to the Surrey openers, Smith and Lawrence. If the bowlers bowled short, they were cut or pulled, if they pitched full they were driven, if they pitched full and wide in the T20 way, the batters reached low and cut. They chanced their arms repeatedly, they had no choice if they were to get near their target, and the ball flew. Fourteen came from the first over, Somerset’s fielders scattered around the edges of The Oval’s wide acres finding it impossible to prevent at least a single from every ball, and twice the ball crossed the boundary. Pretorius was a little more successful in his first over conceding only one boundary, a glance from Lawrence, but again every ball was scored from. “Come on Surrey!” came from one of the crowd as scattered as Somerset’s fielders.

Overton’s second over saw Smith drive him over long off into the Pavilion and Lawrence enjoy some of that fortune that favours the brave as an attempted drive flew over the deserted slips to the Vauxhall End for four. The ball seemed to fly off the bat with Somerset unable to exert any control and twelve runs came from the over, and after three, Surrey were 36 for no wicket, three ahead of the required rate with the cheers beginning to multiply in volume and in numbers. To a Somerset supporter, 209 was beginning to look uncomfortably vulnerable.

Briefly, Overton and Pretorius staunched the flow of boundaries. None came from the next three overs and Surrey failed to score off four balls. It was not much consolation, but it was something to cling onto as ‘only’ 22 runs came from those three overs in ones and twos and the Surrey run rate fell below ten. It left them to score at nearly 12 an over for the remaining 13. The match was tightening again after the early Surrey onslaught, seven runs an over for three overs had simply not been enough, and the Surrey cheers had been replaced by another tense quiet while a rainbow appeared suggesting there might yet be a shower about.

If they were to retain their chances of winning, Surrey needed to regain their early momentum. Smith and Lawrence must have known that for now they launched an assault on Overton and Pretorius even more ferocious than that with which they had begun the innings. Fifteen off an over from Overton, a six driven to the Pavilion and a four driven to the Galadari Stand from the first two balls. Then a six off Pretorius pulled over deep midwicket by Smith and a four driven through the covers by Lawrence with every ball in the over scored from, 17 in total. After eight overs, Surrey were 90 for 0 with 119 runs needed from the final 11 overs. Back to 11 an over. On target and the crowd sensed it. “Surrey!” and “Come on Surrey!” cries seemed to be breaking out from all around despite the paucity of the crowd and Row 18, Seat 339 was feeling more uncomfortable than ever.

And then, a change. In the bowling and in Somerset’s fortunes. Gregory had played what used to be called a captain’s innings and now he bowled a captain’s over. His first ball was well wide of off stump, demanding that Smith reach wide and low for it if he wished to score. He did reach for it and pulled hard over straight midwicket. Renshaw ran in equally hard towards it, landing flat on his back as he took the ball but ended up holding it aloft. There was a huge sigh of relief from Row 18 Seat 339 and from any seats in the ground accommodating the few remaining Somerset supporters. There was extended applause for Smith, out for 45 from 25 balls. Gregory compounded the blow to Surrey’s fortunes the loss of a wicket brought by finishing his over for six runs. Then, Aldridge, having first suffered a top edged cut for six over point from the new batter, Ollie Pope, bowled a leg stump yorker as Pope stepped to leg to try to cut and bowled him.

Next in was Jamie Overton. He managed three runs from his first four balls as Gregory and Aldridge tightened their squeeze on the batting. With 12 runs an over needed from the final eight, the cheering had ceased and the tense quiet returned. Only Tom Lammonby’s voice broke through the tension with, “C’mon lads!” When Overton attempted to pull Aldridge, he connected with the top edge and the ball flew high and back over the bowler’s head. Aldridge turned and ran back beyond the stumps before taking the catch. Now Aldridge, perhaps with his extra pace, perhaps following advice from a coach who ran out to talk to the huddle as Overton walked off, tightened Somerset’s sudden grip further. Rory Burns failed to score from his first three balls and then pulled his fourth to deep midwicket where Lewis Goldsworthy took the catch.

Now Gregory, whose first over had begun the squeeze on Surrey, caught and bowled Dom Sibley off a miscued pull. Then, with Surrey’s charge petering out, only four runs came from an over from Aldridge, all in singles. It left Surrey needing 86 runs from five overs. “It ain’t gonna happen,” the thought that sprang to mind. Surrey knew it as well as I did, for their batters offered to shake Gregory’s hand. He accepted and the tension that had gripped the ground in one form or another for most of the day evaporated as those of us who had experienced a wonderful, if unexpectedly so, day of cricket sidled slowly out of the ground, the Somerset supporters among us breathing the largest sigh of relief we had in a long time.

Result. Somerset 285 (T.A. Lammonby 100, M.T. Renshaw 87, L. Gregory 50, C.T. Steel 4-50, A.A.P. Atkinson 3-57) and 351 (L. Gregory 80, L.P. Goldsworthy 58, C. Overton 52*, C.T. Steel 5-96, D.W. Lawrence 3-76). Surrey 428 (D.P. Sibley 100, R.J. Burns 75, B.T. Foakes 57, K.L. Aldridge 5-64) and 123 for 5 (D.W. Lawrence 53*, J.L. Smith 45, K.L. Aldridge 3-14). Match drawn. Surrey 14 points. Somerset 11 points.

"Ain't Gonna Happen" Surrey Day 4 Oval
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Date: 19/04/2024 11:49

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And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 10/04/2024 15:04

We continue our little jaunt around the country with a trip into London for our 2nd Championship game.

Who do we have back from injury, if anyone?
We have a new bowler, if he's ready to go in time
We might even pick a specialist spinner...😱😱

All starts at 11am on Friday if the flaming weather allows

(Sm72)



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/04/2024 16:31

Very good forecast for Friday.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 10/04/2024 17:53

Forecast for the first three days now seems good, albeit with temperatures dropping as the match progresses.

At least, that's what the Beeb claims.

Are the Norwegian Met Office as confident, Bobstan?

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/04/2024 19:44

I'm impressed by your memory, AGod, although I have to admit that on this occasion I haven't consulted Norwegian.
A minute to KO at a certain football stadium.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2024 11:55

Assuming Abell's injury is 'weeks' from being fixed but Pretorius, Overton and Bashir will be available It looks like batting will be roughly as last week

Lammonby, Dickson, Renshaw, Goldsworthy, Banton, Rew, Gregory

The other 4 will be Overton, Pretorius, Bashir and I'd say Davey but they'll probably say Ball though he presently has not impressed particularly (early days admitedly but many have put him behind Josh and Kasey on performance at least from last week)

All depends on if Craig is fit I suppose.

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2024 12:03

What's Aldridge done wrong?

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2024 13:21

Well he batted well but it's not all we pay him for.

There was something back in his game in Canterbury and I hope it continues. I'm not sure he's past Josh Davey yet but if the selectors decide different, I'm happy to give them the benifit and hope his return to more successful bowling continues.

It might happen, Josh still doesn't look completely back but he always produces more when paired with COve.

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2024 15:02

Craig is fit.

Davey is not in the squad.

I believe they will stupidly leave Aldridge out as they want Ball to have the chance to justify his signing.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2024 17:10

I've mentioned before my deep distaste for Nottinghamshire raiding other counties for talent. They'll be coming for Ball next...

That may not be a very serious comment but there really should be some means of putting a stop to what is happening at Trent Bridge. In the first match of the season only Lyndon James and Calvin Harrison had played their first first-class match for the county. (Harrison was actually born in South Africa and attended King's Taunton but does not appear to have been linked with any other first class side). In contrast, Somerset's XI at Canterbury included seven men who had played their first first-class match for the county - and that team did not included home-grown Overton, Abell or Leach.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2024 18:40

I’ve just looked the figure up for Lancashire’s last game LOL. It was six but it doesn’t feel like a Lancs team to me.

Re the Notts thing, I know they pay well but I wonder if young players still believe the myth that Peter Moores will turn them into world beaters despite the evidence to the contrary at both Lancs and Notts.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2024 18:57

He does a mighty fine spreadsheet and is very well-versed in corporate lingo.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2024 20:32

If Davey isn't fit I'd probably take either Aldridge or Leonard pre Ball but I think you'll be right AG. No disrespect to Jake but he can't just justify his selection on the basis that we signed him. If he does get the nod then he really does have to produce... they all must tbh.

No Ned either so straight Jake or Kasey choice with everbody else.pretty nailed on

(Sm72)



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2024 23:52

Quote:
AGod
He does a mighty fine spreadsheet and is very well-versed in corporate lingo.


👍As Michael Vaughan said AG, not that I often quote him but think he was right there . Another man I don’t like to quote , KP clearly had his measure too. I think the Notts fans have long cottoned on, looking at their Forum.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 10:31

Some green to pitch but praying Lewis won toss and we bat anyway, given K ball and weather.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 10:35

Lewis lost the toss but our hosts have elected to field, which I hope will prove an error.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 10:45

Well you gotta hope so... here we go then 😁👍🏼

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 10:46

We picked the right team so apologies to Jason for assuming they’d do the daft thing of Ball over Aldridge.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 10:50

As ever, with the Kookaburra, the sim of the game is to get through the first 30 overs or so with no more than 3 or 4 down.

Roach is playing for Surrey, so it might well be a challenging start.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 11:00

Glad to see Aldridge got the nod. Jake still needs to convince to be fair & Kasey looked the better bet between the 2 with bat and ball last week.

Now Kasey needs to put his case as clearly as possible

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 11:08

Change in Renshaw/Dickson with Lammonby at 3? Thought the Aussie would open with Tom if he did but not upset that Tom has moved out of an opening spot. Interesting.

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 11:14

I hate those flukey rebound slip catches.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 11:17

Good reflex catch. I'd be hopeful that there is a place for me in that ftont end if I was Andy Umeed. I'd want my finger fixed as soon as possible!!

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 11:21

And I hope they give him a chance.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 11:34

Not sure where that one came from, from Clark.

Pitch had been looking relatively docile but that seemed to really take off.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 11:41

Good from Tom … endures the test of patience and then cashes in twice at the end of the over.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 12:51

Excellent start... the club reads this site for the Aldridge v Ball selection choice

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 13:27

If these two can bat a good way into the next session, one hopes we can get a really good bonus points total.

Some fine shots from Lammonby and Renshaw solid.

Jake Ball is unlikely to be sorry to have missed this match - since one imagines that bowlers on both sides have a lot of hard yakka ahead of them.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 13:34

A very enjoyable session. Lammonby has played some sumptuous shots and Renshaw has also played very well.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: swammeyjoe (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 14:26

Is the link for the radio commentary on the BBC sport website missing or has it moved?

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Kingston Black (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 14:31

Think it's here swammeyjoe - This is BBC Radio London anyway (select the Watch & Listen option):
Surrey v Somerset



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 14:46

Damn. Very bad luck for Renshaw. Excellent ton from Lammonby but annoying misjudgement / miscommunication got the run out.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 14:51

No disrespect to the knock but Renshaw was ball watching. It wasn't a mistake off a misfield. Lammonby just waited to see if the fielder got there and called his partner through when he didn't. Matt didn't do it well & lost it to a flukey throw tbh.

Now TL has been shook up by it when he really didn't need the extra pressure!!

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 14:52

“Never run on a misfield unless there is 2”. The old wisdom is still often the best.
And no ton yet, that run didn’t count!!



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 14:58

Nah, those kind of adages make no sense.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Mike TA1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 14:59

My first thought on Lammonby's wicket, it was going down.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 14:59

Two of their three wickets were total flukes… but the door might now be open for them, annoyingly.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:06

Seems to make sense in this case AG. If they hadn’t attempted the run I suspect both batsmen would still be there, (I suspect TL’s demise was at least in part due to being unsettled by the run out). Instead there is now a chink in the door.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:08

It’s no more logical than saying don’t run unless there’s two!! I mean, if a clear single is available? Take it.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: sfwithers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:11

Well, not quite a collapse, but it had all been going so well.

Time to retrench, fellas, time to retrench...

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:26

We’ll need yet another Rew / Aldridge big stand here or we’l wind up miles short of a good score.

Very disappointing since the run out.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:31

In increasing disarray now. Bitterly disappointing.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Mike K (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:41

From 196 for 1 to 211 for 7. 15 runs at a cost of 6 wickets, that’s some collapse

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:42

Yes, this is very disappointing. Haven’t seen most of this session but enjoyed the morning so much.

I wasn’t going to say it before lunch to supposedly jinx it, but watching Tom L before lunch, I genuinely thought that I’ve rarely seen such a pleasing bat aesthetically in all my cricket watching.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:45

I hope the word “such,” was missing from your post, Des.. otherwise you have led a meagre cricket watching existence!! Haha

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:53

Thanks AGod . Will be duly edited 🙂

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: sfwithers (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 15:58

Now that is a collapse.

Even by Somerset's standards that was a corker.

Shocking.

I made the mistake of being optimistic when they were nearly 200 for 1. Oh, I know, I should have known...

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 16:01

Yep.. something gormless is usually just around the corner, sfwithers, and this has been a stunningly inept second half of this session.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Railboy (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 16:36

In the words of some little known philosopher, “It’s the hope that destroys you”

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 17:18

Somerset's batting reverting to the form of previous seasons... but it was nice at the start of the day

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 18:53

So the collapse seems to have moved up the order. Set a bsse THEN collapse.

Once again, Tom Banton gets the opportunity to make a place his own but doesn't take it... it was on a plate.

In this present line-up those chances may be few & far between. We have spaces for Abell TKC & Umeed to fill in the next 4 weeks.

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2024 22:00

I note that for this match Notts have included THREE home-grown* players. We have increased our figure from seven to eight.

* I use "home-grown" as a shorthand for those who played their first senior match for the county concerned. Thus Bashir can be included.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 02:51

That looked like a wonderful knock from Tom Lammonby, who seems to have put last seasons frustrations well behind him.

Such a shame we (save Matt & Lewis) folded thereafter, but credit to Surrey's bowlers.

Could be a tough day with the ball tomorrow, so a good time for our new signing to show what he is capable of.

Grizzers

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 10:28

I note the official site didn't bother with any player or coach quotes for yesterday.

Anthony did apparently do an interview, in which Shane Burger claimed there is "something in the pitch for the bowler," but then he could hardly have said otherwise without making most of his charges look terrible in the process.

The problem is that the Surrey wickets came from extra pace (Atkinson) and wrist spin (albeit a part timer), neither of which we have, I don't think. I was hoping Pretorious might bring extra pace but he didn't seem particularly quick yesterday.

So... we're stuck with a medium fast seam bowling attack on a pitch that seems pretty placid, under sunny skies and with a ball that, to quote Lewis Gregory, barely has any seam on it.

In a match played on a bowler's pitch, you might occasionally be able to win a match in which you lose 7-20, if you've made 190-1 beforehand.................... but on a batter's pitch? It feels all but impossible. Monday morning rain might offer us some sort of possible escape route in terms of getting out with a draw, but only if we can keep it very tight with the ball today and if the middle order can show more substance than a blancmange in the second half of tomorrow.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 11:33

Failing, miserably, on the first part of that equation (which was “kept it tight today.”)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 12:11

If there was 'something' in the pitch for the bowlers we are struggling to find it. Can't see 20 Surrey wickets in this game in the next 3 days..

Pitch or attack? Good question

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 13:27

It’s the Kookaburra, more than anything. Pitch and overheard conditions not helping either, of course.

Bowlers generally don’t do well with the K ball unless they have extra oomph or are top spinners. Our chances of getting loads of wickets here, with this attack and this ball, are the same as Chris Woakes’s chances Vs Test teams with a K ball. And I believe Chris W has a career test bowling average with the K ball of about 60!! And Woakes, I think, has the best English domestic Test bowling average of the modern era!? I think it’s about 19!?

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: KentWyvern (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 13:30

Well, it’s a lovely day and there a fair amount of people here but this is quite dull stuff. Dropped the only chance today. Somerset may bat again sometime tomorrow afternoon at this rate.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 13:33

I arrived late, KW - what happened with the drop?

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: KentWyvern (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 13:41

AG, Burns pulled Pretorius straight to deep square leg and I think Renshaw just dropped it……

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 13:49

Yikes.

Thanks.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 14:21

Well at least Bash is off and running domestically now

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 14:32

Pleased for both KA and Bash.

Great to see the back of Pope.

Jamie Smith very dangerous, however.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 17:17

Good to see some wickets falling at last! Anyone know why Gregory only bowled two balls in an over - injury?

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: KentWyvern (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 17:18

He bowled the last two balls of an Aldridge over after Kasey ran off the field for some reason……

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 17:55

Kasey has done well today.

Worried though.
Despite the peach that got Smith, Craig doesn't look fully there.
Pretorius is probably bowling through jet lag so got to give him a pass presently
Gregory looks pretty fragile (may have to use him sparingly)
Davey not fit?
Jake...? Meh at the momeny
Leonard injured?
Alfie pulled in 👍🏼
How close is Sonny?
Are we expecting to bolster with the 2 Toms?
Ben Green is where?

(Sm72)



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Shepton Paul 2 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 17:55

Thanks KW - presume KA is ok then? I see Lewis now has Foakes 👍

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 19:25

Nothing obvious wrong with Aldridge, SP. Returned to bowl and did so well. I mean perhaps a tummy upset or something, but physically capable of bowling!

The Surrey fans were quite complimentary about his performance too.

We toiled away with the ball and got one or two gifts along the way, tbh (Pope, certainly). But, as we know, the damage was largely done in that awful hour before tea yesterday.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 19:32

Grockle - Lewis told Anthony he was fully fit after game one … after AntGib asked a question which implied doubts about LG’s fitness. I think LG’s back just is what it is.. he’s not actively injured at the moment but there’s obviously been cumulative damage over the years .. and I guess that can inhibit him.

He also hates bowling with the Kookaburra ball, of course.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 20:10

Yeah. With Lewis it's management. Other resources though... not working wonderfully or presently particularly deep

(Sm72)



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 20:23

Apparently, Aldridge went off four balls into an over because he had a problem with a boot.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2024 23:05

I prepared myself for a painful pre-lunch session likely to be dominated by a partnership between one opener among the world's least exciting batsmen and another certainly one of its most inelegant - and I got what I expected, not cheered by a very embarrassing dropped catch on the square leg boundary (at least, I hope the culprit was embarrassed). During the first hour of play I counted thirty-seven flights heading for Heathrow, only a little fewer than the runs that were scored. Then after lunch, as on Friday, wickets started to fall, though hardly at the same speed. I thought Somerset stuck to their task extremely well, with seemingly no help from the pitch or the ball. Somerset scored their runs at almost exactly four and over; Surrey managed only 3.2 and so we must have got something right.

The batting highlight was produced by Will (Sorry, Jamie) Smith with some splendid clean striking in his 51, that included seven fours and two sixes.

Tomorrow - which will be today by the time most of you read this - will or is another day. Keep the Surrey lead to not much more than a hundred and then bat brilliantly but stubbornly until Monday's rain arrives.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 09:19

Jamie Smith is a very talented player. In red ball cricket, he is surely what Somerset would like Tom Banton to be.

Will Smith is a man noted for throwing a punch at the Oscars!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 09:23

I think one of the things that we did right in the field, was that Gregory sensibly moved the field into contain mode relatively early in the piece. If the main aim was to avoid defeat, then keeping Burns and Sibley together for some time was hardly inimical to that aim. Had Jamie Smith batted for as long as Sibley, then this contest would be all but over!

As it is? We wait to see if Aldridge and Shoaib can follow up on decent days yesterday and whether the front end bowling can be a little sharper… and then, possibly from behind splayed fingers, I shall watch our middle order and hope to goodness they can acquit themselves rather better second time around…



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 09:24

Tbf.. Will Smith was also a nuggety batter for Durham.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 11:14

The joys of cricket commentary... 11am & they are trying to find batsmen whose highest Test score was the same as their height in cms!!!

Seems Derek Randle was one of them!! With 174 at 5'8 and a half inches.

(Sm72)



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 11:14

Sound start, again, from KA.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 11:27

COve v JOve on a Sunday morning

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 11:31

Only 368 conceded from 119 overs is a good job, from an economy standpoint, with Aldridge and Shoaib chiefly responsible.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 11:44

Can't fault the work rate or ethic of the bowlers. They've tied them down over time well. Still wondering where 20 red ball wickets are coming from at this time of year from our attack as it is presently formulated

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: wsm fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 11:54

I'm surprised you can analyse things so well sat at third man and not behind the bowlers arm.....

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 12:09

Is that the first sarcastic 'barb' of the 2024 season? Are you both 'live' for this game? Chances of a pint at lunchtime? 😱😱🤯🤪👍🏼

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 12:41

Hilarious dismissal of Overton, who presumably used up his quotient of luck for this match with his Messi effort on the slip catch from.Dickson, and well-deserved five for for KA.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 12:42

Good first innings bowling from Kasey... that is our bowling positive.

Now we need to hold the line with the bat either side of lunch.

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 12:53

Jesus wept, Dickson.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 14:08

Here comes the danger with the extra pace.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 14:17

For God’s sake - a horlicks Vs Dan Lawrence?

Unreal.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 14:55

Maybe Lawrence is a better bowler than most people think given his performance at Old Trafford last week when Lancs fans were slamming the batting performance against him.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 15:03

Not much to analyse with Dickson's batting

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 15:13

What is it with 'Sean's opening for Somerset? 😱

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 15:34

Good to see Tom L consolidate. Gotta hope it's a next level development for a talented cricketer who needed to take the next step.

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 16:24

Part-time Surrey spinners now up to 7 wickets in the match, following that limp Banton dismissal.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 16:57

Dickson & Tom B have to hope none of the injury guys are back next week. Presently one would think that Tom A and Andy Umeed would take 2 places in this present batting line up. Would be interesting to see who would take number 2.

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 17:01

Excellent work by Lewis G Jr

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 17:24

Uh oh short ball. Goldsworthy will regret that shot

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 17:25

We'll struggle to stay in this one now. Have to work at surviving until the end of play.... and hope for a deluge

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 17:42

I assume that Abell will be out for some considerable while. Umeed might be back soon.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 17:46

Hope they give him a shot rather than just relegate him until MetroBank 24. Think.he can be more than that. If Tom is longer then we'll welcome back TKC with open arms.

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 18:46

Well, there’s quite a lot of rain forecast for tomorrow, but doubtful as to whether it will be enough.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 18:53

IPL runs until 26 May, so would need TKC’s team to be eliminated early to see him anytime soon, either.

I think it’s going to be the current group plus Andy U once his digit is better.

Dickson and Banton not really scoring even Vs the Kookaburra is not reassuring, with the Dukes ball back from now on. At least most of the others have some form / runs / confidence to take into the next few games.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 21:00

Until the ball starts moving about 🤣🤣🤣 Ahh well on we go 👍🏼

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 21:27

Umeed must be close now, it's been 6 weeks since the injury.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 22:21

I think I am right in noting that Steele and Lawrence have taken 18 of the 26 wickets Surrey have taken so far this season. Spinners are clearly useless in the early months.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 14/04/2024 23:51

They are clearly better bowlers than given credit .

Reading the Cricket Paper today , it is given as a reason for using the K ball that it gives spinners more chance and gets teams used to not being able to take wickets so easily. It does , however produce some tedious watching. We’ve been used to that at Old Trafford for years.

We all , or most of us despise Surrey or Essex. Have to admit that Surrey rarely get anything wrong but it is becoming as distorted as the Manchester Arabs in the football Premier League. Even if they do get a signing wrong, does it matter?

I think my future of watching professional sport is nearly all in the past, but I will always treasure Surrey’s disintegration at Old Trafford in September 2003, when they were strutting to a third championship on the run until Carl Hooper belted them all round the ground. He was batting with the number 11, Gary Keedy and Surrey did the usual rubbish of giving CH singles and not trying to get him out. He just flayed 2s, 4s and 6s and went from 29 to 100 in the time that Gary Keedy scored a single. The Surrey team fell apart in front of me and that team didn’t recover. Nobody can take that away from this bitter old dinosaur.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 02:32

Lovely to see Tom Lammonby cementing his return to form, along perhaps with Lewis jnr.. A shame that Tom Banton seems to be struggling however.

Overall, we've battled well in this game, aside from the wretched first innings collapse, which could well have cost us the game.

Still, there is still hope.

Grizzers

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 09:28

I thought Lawrence and Steel bowled excellently, would not call them part-time bowlers

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 09:54

Well - I mean, they are part-time bowlers if you look at their stats - I mean Lawrence has 24 wkts in 119 games - and that figure was probably 14 or 15 in 117 before this game!! Prior to this season, Steel had 32 wkts in 55 games.

Both are usually in teams chiefly for their batting.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 09:56

Des - and the funny thing is that there was usually no more elegant player than Carl Hooper - but sounds like he abandoned all that to just bludgeon the brown caps!! How I wish I had been there!!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 10:01

"Reading the Cricket Paper today , it is given as a reason for using the K ball that it gives spinners more chance and gets teams used to not being able to take wickets so easily. It does , however produce some tedious watching. We’ve been used to that at Old Trafford for years."

Here's the thing:

Seamers aren't suddenly going to become good at "thinking batsmen out," just because of 2 games played with a K ball.

I mean, you'd have to switch to it full time really (perish the thought) before seamers livelihood's would be sufficiently threatened that they'd think "I'd better figure out another way of getting folks out."


The success of Steel and Lawrence does make one wonder though: How many other seldom used spinners could be effective, if actually given a chance?



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 10:26

I have just been out collecting a young grandson in a fierce hailstorm here in Hertfordshire.

If similar occurs south of the river I shall say "All Hail".

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 10:34

Andy Umeed is meant to be playing for the seconds today, Grockle... as is Matthew Jack Leach.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 11:33

Play at noon, apparently

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 11:34

The delay for rain may cost Somerset what would otherwise have been a certain victory...

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 12:11

Haha I jinxed that, no play now before lunch. But they should get underway later...

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 14:40

Lawrence now, happily, bowling like a part-timer!!!!!!!!!!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 15:47

It seems I was right about the rain robbing us of certain victory! Today has seen a magnificent display of stubborn and intelligent batting.

But I can't find the BBC commentary in the usual place.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 15:49

AGod @ 957 ; I probably did CH a disservice there ; I saw a few lovely innings from him live but there was undoubted savagery that day though it certainly wasn’t crude.

Re my comments about TL the other day, I haven’t changed my opinion ( not just based on that innings as I’ve seen him play a couple of ones live) that he is one of the most aesthetically pleasing batsmen I’ve seen. As a general rule , ( notwithstanding CH ), I‘ve generally been luckier with seeing great bowlers perform than great batsmen. The two live centuries that stand out to me for elegance are Barry Richards at Liverpool in 1975 when he very much made Greenidge look a bludgeoner and Mark Waugh’s dream debut century at Adelaide in 1991. KP’s double hundred at Guildford in 2012 stands out for savagery rather than elegance.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 15:51

Looking like a great escape at tea!!!

I cannot remember a single instance of our escaping from 19 for 6 (our effective position in the match yesterday) within at least the past five years (definitely not without tons of rain coming to our aid).

A great effort from Gregory, Aldridge and Overton today, with Gregory especially, but also Overton, batting against type.

Aldridge's and Bashir's economy still crucial in bailing us out too, though, since if they had gone round the park for 3.5-4 an over as most bowlers in this match did? Surrey likely would have had an extra 75-90 mins yesterday in which to bowl, as they could have declared with a nice lead, rather than batting to the end of their innings.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Tumbles (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 16:17

Ah I see we lost at lunchtime on Day 2 again.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 16:18

Tremendous batting display, loving the discipline, albeit out of the wind at home. Hopefully this will set the standard for 2nd innings resilience going forwards. Captain's innings here



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 16:57

20 overs / 209 runs - EASY

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 17:13

All our hard work being undone. Pretorius getting out was stupid

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 17:20

We could easily lose this from here. Bad start with the ball.

At least Pretorious has come up with a good second over.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 17:31

Get Overton off.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 17:37

As Bobstan rightly predicted - easy.

(sadly)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 17:50

Great stuff, once again, from KA!!!!!!!!!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 17:57

Fabulous, from KA, to drag us right back into this!!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Bobstan (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:01

I didn't say for whom it would be easy!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:02

Boring this four day cricket innit!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:07

Kasey Aldridge 3 for 10 from 2 !! Has he come of age?

(Sm72)

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Scrumper (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:12

Shaking hands now, we could have won this.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Somerset LaLaLa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:14

That settles the Aldridge debate... keep him on the teamsheet

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:18

Yep... humble pie for me. I lost faith in him last year with the ball but he's come roaring back with bat and ball. Should we have gone on for 5 overs just to see? Poor first innings but fighting draw. 19 points....

(Sm72)



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:24

We were robbed.

Surrey should have sent Sibley in first and then the handshakes could have happened much earlier.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:24

Kasay absolutely brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8 for naff all in conditions loaded in favour of the bat!!!? As brilliant as the 20 for 7 was abysmal!!!!

Some of the very best flat track bowling I've seen for Somerset since we had Caddy operating on millponds at Taunton, back in the day!!!

And he was incredible in that run chase!!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:25

What was Burns thinking of - sending himself and Sibley in to have a swing!? Abysmal captaincy!!!!!!!!!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:27

A superb fight-back. Hats off to the skipper, Lammonby, Renshaw, Bashir, Cove and KA, in particular.The outcome must seem almost as enjoyable as a victory for the players.
I wonder how many other times Gregory has scored two fifties in a match. My impression (in particular, from last year's T20 campaign) is that he is an excellent leader.
I agree with Grockle that this is the match in which Aldridge has come of age.
The result will no doubt have cheered the birthday celebrations of one of our most esteemed contributors.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 18:45

Currently a very happy Birthday Boy of Balham!

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 19:25

What an absolutely superb game of cricket.

Plenty more positives to take from that, not least of which being the performance of the new skipper, plus of course Kasey, whose bowling seems to have developed very nicely over the winter.

Credit also to Craig whose batting stand with Lewis quite possibly saved the game for us.

Yes the first innings collapse was disappointing, but I reckon we’ll come out of this game feeling happier than Surrey.

Good stuff.

Grizzers

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 19:42

Surrey will be asking themselves whether they should have been more assertive with the bat, yesterday morning.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Sloop John B (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 21:03

That match showed a new belief and resilience that we have lacked previously. Great captaincy, KC comes of age and writes his name on future team sheets . Mature batting today from Craig and Lewis made for a very exciting day four where a draw was odds on and then Surrey win looked likely again and then.....

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 21:25

Having spent three days in the sun, but in the full face of that chill wind whenever it blew, at the top of the Galadari (previously the Peter May) Stand, I decided to sit in the covered section at the Vauxhall End in preparation for the promised rain. The rain never came (after the start). After lunch, the sun took itself behind the stand and I was freezing again. However, Somerset were set by then, so I stayed firmly in my seat until the end, taking care to return to the same seat after tea. I was frozen by the close, but it was a day, and a match, to remember. I have seen Lewis Gregory bat like that before in similar situations. He is quite an asset at number seven.

As to The Oval, they lowered their flag to half-mast on receiving the news of the death of Derek Underwood aged 78. I don't think his passing has been mentioned on here, although I may have missed it.

The Oval is a very friendly ground now. Friendly stewards if you needed one but the stands were unstewarded unless someone calls for one. Spectators were invited onto the outfield at the start of every interval in the match, lunch and tea, the second the players had crossed the rope. There must have been upwards of a thousand of us out there during the lunch interval on the first day. I saw people sat in cricles with small picnics or just chatting. The area of the outfield in front of the Bedser Stand seemed to be set aside, whether officially or unofficialy I don't know, for schoolchildren to bring their bats and balls and play impromptu games of cricket. The square wasn't cordoned off, just three stewards spread out along the Pavilion End edge of it (the end of the ground people were asked to keep to) forming what seemed to be an invisible line which no one crossed. There were also a few scattered along the rest of the boundary to ask people to keep to the edge of the playing area in the Vauxhall End of the ground.

A word about the crowd too. It had a very different demographic from the crowd at every other CC venue I visit where the great majority look over 60 or thereabouts and are predominantly male. Except on the last day, in the Galadari Stand at least (where most people outside the Pavilion were seated), there was a very high proportion of young people, aged about 25-40, probably more than were over 60, and they were far from being predominantly male. The numbers of younger people was striking and probably the main factor leading to a first-day crowd well in excess of 3,000 - quite possibly nearer 4,000 and probably around 2,500 on the second day. They really had turned out in very large numbers.

The cricket held the interest throughout. The Oval too.

I would add, I was at Canterbury for all three days of play too. Another very friendly ground. There was a stark difference in the crowd though. Predominantly male and over 60. Only 400 or so on the first day, perhaps 300 on the second and 200 on the fourth (which also applied at The Oval final day). And of course, the Canterbury weather was not as good as The Oval weather and there were train strikes on all four days. Very few Somerset supporters there but we were there in numbers at The Oval.

Farmer



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 15/04/2024 21:51

Demographics were very much the same at the other end of the ground, too, at the Oval.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: wintonwanderer (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2024 07:21

Great write up Farmer and what an amazing game of cricket: I love the way that 4 day cricket can suddenly change gear. The county championship is a superb competition. Really encouraged by the performance yesterday with both bat and ball. Next up.... Notts at home.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Peaches and Creosote (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2024 12:44

A Surrey supporter and member here with respect to you and your team.

Your resilience in successfully fighting for a draw deserves high praise and resulted in a fine game. Surrey batted too slowly in the second half of Saturday and on Sunday morning when it was clear some time would almost be certainly lost on day four. I accept a team's gameplan shouldn't be based on a weather forecast 48 hours away but, particularly with the improvements in radar and technology etc, you should still take some awareness of it into account. We didn't as we pootled along, perhaps over confidently thinking you would easily fold in your second dig. You certainly didn't.

Telling you what you already know, Gregory's captaincy and two innings were very valuable whilst Aldridge was the best bowler of both sides across the game (notwithstanding Steel's 9 wickets) imo and deserved his match eightfer.

The stats don't obviously reflect it but Bashir also played an important role. Just 12 runs from his two knocks and a return of 1/76 from our first dig, the only one in which he bowled. However, his 10 not out on day one contributed to a more than handy partnership of 49 with your skipper for the last wicket whilst his bowling return came from a mammoth and very tidy 36 overs which contributed to you achieving a draw. His overs used up so much of the game when you were already on the back foot and would have snatched a hand off for the draw and the 8 points that now go with it.

Finally, pleased that the Farmer enjoyed his time at the Oval.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Loyal of Lhasa (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2024 13:17

That was a very generous post from a man with a magnificent nom de plume. The respect for the opposition among most spectators is one one of the finest features of the county championship and in return I would like to record that for me two of the highlights of a superb match were the two innings played by Jamie Smith. And I always appreciate the great friendliness and helpfulness of the staff at The Oval.

It is a strong confirmation of my nerdy nature that I took delight that Surrey's second innings ended at
one two three for five.

LoL

Seventy-eight Seasons a Somerset Supporter

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2024 13:23

The strange thing about Surrey’s “pootling,”
was this:

Yes, had they taken risks they might have lost wickets. But let’s say they might only have made 325 rather than 425 or so… there is, surely, no way they ought to have been concerned about then losing the game on the final day? As we showed, by making four wickets last most of the day, wicket-taking was not going to be easy on the final day - and so there would have been no obvious downside to Surrey being more aggressive towards the end of Saturday / early Sunday?

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2024 13:25

I also enjoyed my two days (Friday and Sunday) at the Oval, not least because I was sitting alongside LoL.
In my experience, the great majority of those who watch county cricket are, first and foremost, cricket-lovers and recognise and enjoy good cricket from both sides.
I too appreciate P&C's comments. The generosity of his remarks matches that of the commentators at the end of the live stream.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2024 17:27

Yes, lovely post from Peaches & Creosote. Despite my anti Surrey ( & Essex) post the other day , I entirely agree with my friends above that spending civilised time with cricket lovers on both sides is great . I also made it clear that I really admire the set up which gets so much out of the likes of Jordan Clark , even if the resources do mean that it hardly matters if one falls by the wayside. Certainly Surrey use their resources far better than Emirates plc , Manchester branch.

My only ever visit to The Oval when I actually got in was for a wonderful 3 day Surrey v Lancs match in 1993 when Lancs actually won and as said above , appreciated fine performances from both sides and in particular from Wasim and Waqar.

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2024 21:06

Does your second para imply that there has been an occasion, Des, on which you went to the Oval and were not admitted!?

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2024 21:19

AGod . 1980 turned up for the Saturday of the Test against WIndies. Gates were locked before we got to them and I still remember a policeman coming along and saying “ There’s an inch and a half of rain at Reading and it’s coming this way. “ That was a result as no money back in those days although admission price was far more reasonable. Happened to me at the Saturday at Old Trafford that summer too.

Very spectacular rain it was too at The Oval ; got back to my friend’s flat in Streatham and it nearly reduced Peter West to speechlessness describing how dark it was. It was probably the most spectacular rain I ever saw until my first day abroad in Houston May 81 when there was ten inches in the day ; look it up if you doubt me , not that I think you would.



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Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: AGod (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2024 22:19

Oh no!!!

Re: And on we go Surrey at the Oval
Posted by: Farmer White (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2024 22:32

If anyone fancies a read before we start against Nottinghamshire, here is a report from me on the final day at The Oval, entitled "It ain't gonna happen"

[farmerwhite.co.uk]

Farmer



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Re: "Ain't Gonna Happen" Surrey Day 4 Oval
Posted by: Grockle (IP Logged)
Date: 19/04/2024 12:14

I've also headed this thread with it so people pick up who don't see this post Thank you FW & it's nice to read something from you again.

(Sm72)

Re: "Ain't Gonna Happen" Surrey Day 4 Oval
Posted by: Wickham (IP Logged)
Date: 19/04/2024 17:10

Thank you, FW - a most enjoyable report.

Re: "Ain't Gonna Happen" Surrey Day 4 Oval
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 20/04/2024 01:24

I was at The Oval that Saturday in 1980 Des. Having queued, along with a mate, to get one of the late released tickets we got in the ground around 10.30 a.m, only to have the heavens absolutely open before the scheduled start. The ground rapidly became a lake & play was abandoned for the day before noon !

Here's what it looked like.................

[youtu.be]

Compensation comprised two tickets for a day at a Surrey home Championship game during the remainder of the season, which really wasn't much consolation to a lad from Somerset on a rare outing to the big city !

So we made do with an afternoon at Madame Tussauds.

Ah well.

Grizzers



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Re: "Ain't Gonna Happen" Surrey Day 4 Oval
Posted by: Des Platt (IP Logged)
Date: 20/04/2024 11:18

I was offered a less appropriate compensation than that Grizzers when the last Test in the 90/91 Ashes series finished a day and a half early at Perth through England’s incompetence rather than the weather. Had prepaid five days tickets in advance and was offered a day at a Sheffield Shield match which started when I was back in our “ wrong type of snow” winter.

Re: "Ain't Gonna Happen" Surrey Day 4 Oval
Posted by: Grizzers (IP Logged)
Date: 20/04/2024 13:46

Ouch !

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