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dont mind, hope everyone & the players get behind him & he can continue what Hughton has left behind, dont think it will be all singing and dancing but we have a chance to stay in this division if we just accept it, and get on with trying to win games, the Premiership is close this season with teams having the beating of one & other!

best way to look at it for the Pardew doubters! hughton 19 points from 16 games, 3 matches off half a season with the next fixtures being Liverpool Birmingham Man City, I guess a piont from those 3 fixtures, so possible 20 piont for Chris,

Can Pardew get more or match it, I dont really give a F*ck as long as we are still here in May, Ive said before I would take 17th anytime!

Lets start with a win over Liverpool eh? What a better way to manage expectations

No short answer. don't want him.

Here is one from left field (while being sorry for the Amercinsm)

How about Lee Clark?

Clark has already said he won't be joining Newcastle. He is a young manager doing well in the lower leagues and a former player but he wouldn't suit the experienced manager profile the club are said to be looking for anyway.

Whoever the manager is, we need to give him our full backing come Saturday and the rest of the season, as Newcastle United is more important than our disgust for Mike Ashley.



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aye but if Ashley told me it was raining I would go outside to check I was etting wet.

Apologies for picking this time to write my first post! been reading this site for a while since moving from the toon through work.

Just had to say Pardew is a disaster and i am just devastated at the thought of him taking over ! its just beyond a joke

Hey never appoligise about joing the site, (a big hello) and just state Pardew is a fcking disaster.

I have to gvet this out of my system, on the grounds if he is wor maanger the morra, I suppose I will support him.

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Lets start with a win over Liverpool eh? What a better way to manage expectations

Cant see Pedro having any impact at all really, massive game to be temp coach for, would be awsome if we come away with anything,

here's hoping

Thanks Dave - I am the same we have to support i guess i just cant believe what that man is doing to our club!

Pardew is basically the cheapest option possible. If he is announced tomorrow as our new manager, I'm boycotting until Ashley gets his fat ass out of toon.

The bookies setup Hughtons replacement odd on the 22nd October and put Pardew right at the top of the list, which means they were 'in the know'. Hughton has been stitched up after getting the Fat idiot out of jail.

Ashley is a shameful disgrace and Pardew is in on the scam (running the club on a shoe string).

I've paid for the Liverpool ticket so will go along and boo Pardew at every opportunity.


Never has a manager been more unwelcome.

I agree, Pardew is a cheap option and I dont see how he is a better choice than Chris Hughton?

Very close to complete agreement with detox. Something about this doesn't smell right.

At best, Pardew would be like the first John XXIII to me. Chew on that a while!

What a farce. Yet another clown who won't last 18 months at St James's Park. Why do Newcastle United keep making these utterly disastrous managerial appointments? The thing about this club is that they give the job to managers who we the fans KNOW without any doubt, right from day one are not good enough and will only take the club backwards. Souness, Allardyce, Kinnear and now Pardew, when will it ever end?

Ashley has really plumbed the depths this time. A Premiership club bringing in a manager whose most recent job was in the third tier of English football but not only that, he was SACKED from that job. It makes the appointment of Fat Joe Kinnear a couple of years ago look like a major coup.

This appointment speaks volumes about Ashley's ambitions for Newcastle United. Pardew satisfies all Ashley's requirements for a manager:

1. Cheap
2. Available/out of work
3. So desperate for a job he'll work under conditions no decent manager will accept...no tranfers funds, selling our best players etc.

I just wonder which joker Ashley will come up with this time next year when Pardew is sacked after a defeat to Scunthorpe leaves us in the Championship relegation zone.

18 months??? thats how long we had him for and when he started we were in the Prem. Look at us now.

You want to hope he's out the door before your adrift at the bottom ( and thats not a dig) he's that bad.

I like the John XXIII reference.

I asume you mean vatican 2?

I thought I was alone in references like that.

I tip my hat good sir.

*bows*

Good to know there are gentlemen of culture o'er there among y'all!

I am Italian its second nature me and the pope.

Frankly I was shocked about getting overlooked last time, I had bought the dress and everything.

Hey, every Catholic in good standing has a shot. I mean, last time they picked a...

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I am Italian its second nature me and the pope.
Frankly I was shocked about getting overlooked last time, I had bought the dress and everything.

But how many hats did you own? That's the most important part of the outfit.

I agree with everything Detox says apart from maybe boycotting games.

Club and team come first.

Pardew is a poor replacement for Chris Hughton, but I will support him or any other manager.

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I can't believe this, it just goes to show that we are the unluckiest club of all time.
Ashley is @#$%& retarded if he truly believes that he can pay peanuts at this level and expect results.
I think it comes down to the fact that he didnt want to offer chris an improved contract, and pardew will jump at the chance to get any job, he would've taken the tea ladie's if they'd offered it to him!
I am bracing myself for a second relegation, and this time, no spectacular comeback. We were once a great club now we'll never hear the end of it from those @#$%& spuds

As much as I don't think he is the right man for the job, I'll only judge him on what the team does on the field. Let's hope we can remain a Premier league club and take things from there.



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This is absurd. I'm sorry, but I can't support, literally, just anyone. Again, John XXIII. The first one. The one who wasn't.

i was sick to my stomach when andy cole left. took a lot of getting over.

but i supported the club, not the player, so i didnt go with him to man u.

of course i didnt want pardew, but does not supporting mean you dont care who wins eacj match? or is it wanting us to lose? cos i'm not up for that, no way.

(and yes, i know the answer, you want the wins, i'm not daft, but is the only response to that last comment tu8nyc

I Will always support the toon but i am certainly not willing to welcome this idiot to our club!

Just gave me ticket away for Sat ...gutted but i just cant do it !

I support NUFC. I want the lads to win every game. That doesn't change.

Even if I thought this was an acceptable signing, I'm never going to get emotionally attached to any manager or player anymore as long as Ashley is here. I have no idea what to expect when the inevitable bids for AC come in January, but I am mentally preparing for the possibility of his leaving.

What do you all make of the rumors of personalism in all this? I find them hard to ignore, as the juxtaposition of the club's stated position and the appointment of this guy makes me want to scream B.ULLS.HIT!!! at the top of my lungs.

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I support NUFC. I want the lads to win every game. That doesn't change.
Even if I thought this was an acceptable signing, I'm never going to get emotionally attached to any manager or player anymore as long as Ashley is here. I have no idea what to expect when the inevitable bids for AC come in January, but I am mentally preparing for the possibility of his leaving.

What do you all make of the rumors of personalism in all this? I find them hard to ignore, as the juxtaposition of the club's stated position and the appointment of this guy makes me want to scream B.ULLS.HIT!!! at the top of my lungs.

the bit in bold. kinda sums up what i said on monday (or whenever it broke) and we disagreed. i'm not being sentimental about chris, deliberately.

as for the new guy, well, no-one wanted chris hughton, including me, last august. he won us over, on and off the pitch. just on the pitch would have done, and i'll settle for that with this guy.

i said i'd rather have kinnear than pardew, but we have pardew so lets see what he does.

I'm not happy with Pardew but lets just see what he produces on the field

I just don't give a f00k who the manager is any more. Seems best that way. Working towards not caring who wears the shirt each week either. It's just the shirt that matters. Isn't that where this leads?

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I'm not happy with Pardew but lets just see what he produces on the field

That's exactly my thoughts. I can not wait for Saturday's game now as I'm tired of all the negativity. Let's just see what happens on the field.



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I just don't give a f00k who the manager is any more. Seems best that way. Working towards not caring who wears the shirt each week either. It's just the shirt that matters. Isn't that where this leads?

no tunyc, its the british stiff upper lip, and strong resolve in the face of makem taunts.
or something.
anyway, you may or may not feel differently when we see for ourselves how pardew does things on the field. i'm all for a hanging if he fails, but he hasnt done anything wrong yet, has he?

I'd rather have had Kinnear too, he'd probably die before five and a half years was up.

You asked, lmk. I think he has, personally. I think this is a ridiculous case of favoritism and this guy has done himself no favors in my view by taking the job.

Whereas Martin Jol, whom I respect but never liked, has gone up greatly in my estimation by basically saying he's not going to take the job over the body of his friend.

There is another problem we haven't thought about.

Just say he is good, what the hell ryhmes with Pardew (he is not Jewish so that looses a lot)

poo

Tuny I was on a long mental wander and assuming he was good. I am not convinced poo is a good starting point

sorry

league two?

whoo-hoo? (thinking homer, not mr humphries here)


come on, taking the job is enough? i cant counter that. you have become fundamentalist anti-ashley.

it goes against the grain to 'agree to disagree', so can we agree that i'm ok and that you are unreasonable? (knowing smiley, a ticklish, half drunk smile playing across the round yellow mush, an attempted wink which comes across as a twitch, a faint smell of stale urine and an air of unfocussed menace, do we have that smiley anywhere? guys?)

FFS, nothing seems fishy to you about a guy being signed to a 5.5 year contract less than a week after the last guy was fired? If this is a matter of Ashley surrounding himself with yesmen, does it matter to you? Because the explanation that's been put up makes no f00king sense. If you believe that s.hit, I've got a bridge to sell you.

My view is like most, very underwhelmed but lets back him the best we can. Im worried about the circus that will be Saturday and all the press and cameras that will be hoping for a right show. He came across well in the press conference but like he sais its on the pitch that counts.

He might have a 5 1/2 year contract but am I right in thinking that part of contract means that he doesnt get a pay out if sacked. If thats the case then it makes little or no difference.

Was thinking today that if this doesnt pay off then it could back fire massively for Ashley. This is the last year for the three year season ticket bond type thingy. I dont know the exact numbers but I believe a lot of people (including myself and pals) signed up for this scheme. Ive heard a few people I know say they were thinking/going to jack in their tickets and that was before this latest segment in the saga. If they dont stay up then I think we will get half the crowds we did last season. I think the crowds last season (at the start anyway) would have been a bit lower without the scheme. With peoples feelings running high after this people really might just say, F00K this.

Yes, Ashley will still be stinking rich, but if people did stay away for numerous reasons then it really could be a nightmare..... and i wouldnt blame anyone for doing so. The acid test will be in January. Whether the wrong players get sold or none come in or both.

Saying i'd boycott may have been an over reaction, I've simply given up interest in giving Ashley my money, he is stringing us along exploiting our loyalty. Ashley knew we didn't want Pardew, but appointed him anyway.

Surprisingly after watching the Pardew interview i felt slightly sorry for him having to do it alone. He was properly hung out to dry.


I guess I'll become a fair weather fan and only go to the games I really fancy. So if Pardew can put together a team that plays good football he'll get more of my money. If he can't he wont.

I really don't understand this line of people "feeling sorry" for him. He got a prestigious job for which he's in no way qualified. If anything, he's a fool for that. I have no pity for him.

He was asked in the press conference y'day what made him any different to the horde of other managers who have tried and failed at this club in recent years. His answer: "I'm not different."

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I really don't understand this line of people "feeling sorry" for him. He got a prestigious job for which he's in no way qualified. If anything, he's a fool for that. I have no pity for him.

Did you see his first press conference? It was just him, the tea lady, a chair and an advertising board.

Llambias and Ashley knew he was an unpopular appointment and pushed him out to the wolves alone.

While I totally agree it's a job he's not qualified for, I can't help thinking he'd be a bigger fool to turn it down.

If they offered me it, i'd say yes.

I like to think I'd have the integrity to turn it down and ask whomever offered it for a hit of whatever they're smoking...

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I like to think I'd have the integrity to turn it down and ask whomever offered it for a hit of whatever they're smoking...

Your a better man than me. I'd jump at the chance.

I am hoping Biffins is right about the contract that there is no payout, as I can't see why we give him a 5.5 yr contract especially as he was not in demand. It was not as if he set Southampton alight, especially with the players that they had.

Can't see him doing anything, but then he has nothing to lose so he may shock a few. Know I have calmed down, giving him grief is pointless as it is not his fault that CH went, and wouldn't we all take the job if it was offered. He should be judged on games and I hate to say it that it won't be long before people are on his case, as he will be a flop.

I can see a few going but won't be in Jan, I think the players will give a shot but if we fail and even if we stay in the premiership I reckon a few will go. AC being the main one. The other players won't have much of a choice due the amount they are on

Ever run a pub league team? Even that can be a massive headache and make you wonder if you're up to it. Plus I would be terrified of a.) damaging the club with my poor management and b.) alienating the Toon Army.

tunyc, you cant get to being a professional league football manager with that kind of self doubt, no way. there will be no shred of doubt in any of the twenty premier league managers that they are the right man for the job. indeed, when events prove otherwise, few of them will blame themselves, rather to blame players, owners, refs, agents, journos, luck...anything but a lack of ability themselves

I hear you, lmk. But there's a point where confidence ranges into arrogance and then megalomania, no?

ok. how does that advance what we are talking about though?

i see that we're all down about what has happened this week, but having it manifest as rejection of pardew simply helps fulfil the negative prophecy we all fear. does support matter? if its worth one extra point gained over a season, well, that would have been enough two seasons ago, wouldnt it?

we wont bounce back if we go down again. no way. i hope the chorus of booing which is being talked up for saturdays match doesnt play a part in losing a match where we could feasibly achieve at least one point, or in any other game, as momentum could see us spiral downward into a fight for survival which our players are good enough to stay above, but perhaps not good enough to win if we get drawn in. thats a long, awful sentence which i havent the pateince to write correctly. you know what i mean, anyway.

laters. hope we get a result to end a shite week a bit better

Lmk. I'm assuming you continue to raise the point that no one wanted Hughton in a veiled attempt to suggest that we should accept Pardew with open arms because he could turn out to be just as good and leave those that don't want him appointed now with egg on their face in the future.

However, I think you are missing the point. The reason people were against Hughton was because of his lack of experience, while people are against Pardew because through his experience he has been proven to be a terrible manager.

The two scenerios are completely different and your suggestion of acceptance is in my opinion a completely senseless way to look at things. Surely you see that?

That is not saying anything about the circumstances of Pardew's appointment and the difficult situation he will be finding himself in which will be very much more difficult than CH ever faced having already been around the club and the players for awhile prior to taking the management position.

As for Pardew claiming he will be 'knocking the door down for funds' I actually laughed at that. Since we all know the reason he was appointed was because he will be exactly NOT doing any knocking on any doors. At least not until he visits the unemployment office in 6 months time.

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Lmk. I'm assuming you continue to raise the point that no one wanted Hughton in a veiled attempt to suggest that we should accept Pardew with open arms because he could turn out to be just as good and leave those that don't want him appointed now with egg on their face in the future.
However, I think you are missing the point. .

not at all onthelevee. i didnt/dont want pardew. but some people are going way overboard on the negative, i mentionted hughton because we all went against him, too, and maybe some of us wish we hadnt. perhaps wish is a bit strong, but you know what i mean, yeah?

I'm of two minds about the booing and whatnot. I agree that it's counterproductive for supporters to do anything that undermines the players on the field. It's just as idiotic as it seems.

Then again, I know that AshleyCo works hard to insulate themselves from public sentiment. It's hard to see how reasonably discontented fans can express themselves to him otherwise.

If I were there, I wouldn't spend the entire game booing but I'd definitely take part in a well-timed anti-Ashley song.

FI'm of the opinion that at the end of the day the quality of the manager and players will show through, whatever supporters do. I never accepted JFK, thought he was a joke appointment and so did many others. That's not why he was an ineffective manager.

I think protesting, booing, all the negative songs have to happen and I fully agree with it. But it is how and when it is done. Before the match, half time and after the match with a sit down protest gets the message to him and the media.

During the game the fans need to get behind AP (which is a joke appointment) and the players, as you are right, the fans can make the difference, and the last thing you want to do is lose a point which can keep you up.

There is always the multi fuctional users who adapt after the wave of obscure mayhem! they are the same users who blew the roof off when Hughton was appointed full time Boss!

I would digg the comments up if I could be @rsed, but they know who they are!!! and when the dust settles, they will be the ones, greasing Alan Pardews ring!

But that does not matter when we live in a world of opinions!

I for one loved relishing in laughing at my pal the Liverpool fan but lets not forget....

There's no right, there's no wrong, thers's just popular opinion!

Oh & btw did not see any booing tonight everyone was loving it!!!

Lets not be false now!





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Yes AP did a fantastic job, what a sub he made and I was calling out for Lovernkrands or Guthrie instead of Strolla. The result shocked me and he needs to take the credit. Yes Mighty Mag I was one that slagged off CH taking the job as a caretaker boss last year and I won't deny it.

I have said I am hoping I am wrong but if you think I am getting carried away and going kiss AP @rse after one game, and as said bloody great game you are wrong. every dog has it days, and I think the victory was more the players attitude that CH installed, and obviously the sub that AP made.

Do I think AP will do a good job this year, probably yes, he works under pressure quite well but do I think next season he will struggle then it will be a yes. I still think it is the wrong appointment, but then that is the great thing about football, the banter, the arguements, being proved right or wrong.

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I still think it is the wrong appointment, but then that is the great thing about football, the banter, the arguements, being proved right or wrong.

I know, but Newcastle & us the fans never think its the right appointment, someone on here recently started a thread stating is Mike Ashley a genius?

And to be fair now, there will never ever be a top manager that would work here, due to us being an unattractive club in how we run things from the top,

We should just get behind what we have, because this for me is a far better team than the team that had all the stars and big names, your Owens, Martins, I do think we should be strict in our dealings, and not waste money on players that are not for Newcastle, I am going to try from now on not to be so judgemental with regards to some of the outragous decisions any more cos if they pay off, we always come round,

I loved Hughton, and i think thats down to the fact he got the lads working hard for each other, And I backed him when everyone was saying he would be useless & bring in Mark Hughes?

I think we should do the same here, and back Pardew!

It pains me to say it, but the substitution were both excellent and timed to perfection.

Liverpool were starting to creep back into it and growing in confidence, all while Shola was doing nothing. Rangers injection of pace and sheer determination to run after everything sent them into meltdown.

Nolan isn't much use in the last 15 minutes when we are goals to the good, so bringing on Smith to do his headless chicken act was probably as good as we could have got from the bench.

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I still think it is the wrong appointment, but then that is the great thing about football, the banter, the arguements, being proved right or wrong.

And to be fair now, there will never ever be a top manager that would work here, due to us being an unattractive club in how we run things from the top,

We should just get behind what we have, because this for me is a far better team than the team that had all the stars and big names, your Owens, Martins, I do think we should be strict in our dealings, and not waste money on players that are not for Newcastle, I am going to try from now on not to be so judgemental with regards to some of the outragous decisions any more cos if they pay off, we always come round

That is the issue I have, I know we are not going to get a top manager, as who would come here, with little cash to spend and the circus that the toon run, so if we were not going to get a top manager why change, as would CH got us around the same position as AP would, was there going to be players p@ssed off with sacking CH, and if we were not going to totally change the direction of the club, by spending money and attracting bigger players to the club then what was the point.

To me Ashley wants us to go down the same road, having the same players, little cash to spend, buying unproven players and developing youth, so if that is the case why change a manager, who to me was doing a good job, especially when you take into account suspension and injuries. Fully understand if somebody had totally over achieved in every job he had done but AP hasn't.

Fully agree that this team is far better than the one that took us down, and players like that I never want to see at the club again, until CH got sacked I was happy with the way the club was going, not spending over the top, building a great spirit which hasn't been around for ages, and eventually building a team and we are for once having kids come through.

I will back AP, he is the manager and I hope I am totally wrong, but think it he will struggle especially next year when the pressure is off him

Shouldn't Shola be credited for the subsitution since he got injured?

Great injury Shola best thing you did all day and such..

I don't like Pardew, for the simple fact that I DO NOT BELIEVE HIM when he says the first contact he had about the job was last Monday!

On other newcastle forums that I frequent, there were rumors that Hughton's departure was imminent and that Pardew was his replacement. THIS WAS A WHOLE 2 MONTHS AGO!

So I don't think Pardew's hands are clean in the disgusting treatment of Chris Hughton.

That said Pardew is what we are lumped with. We have a DISGRACEFUL FAT, BIG HEADED, POMPUS FCB in charge of NUFC who doesn't give a monkeys what the fans think, and like Keegan says 'DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL'. Ashley lucked out with Hughton's appointment last season, as he truly is our best manager since Sir Bobby Robson by far, and saved NUFC when we could have easily gone the other way, and the way he had us playing this season was fantastic. And just when you think Ashley can't F!Ck it up anymore he does! FFS!

Pardew has 18 months to impress me, just like Hughton had. If he fails in that, I'm calling for him to be SACKED!!!! because it's absolute BullShish that he hasn't carried on behind Hughton's back for past couple months in my opinion! Some will say that is just football, nowadays, but that is absolutely DISGUSTING! And I could hardly see Sir Bobby doing that to another manager while they're still in a job.

In the meantime, I'LL BACK THE TEAM. And any success we have this season, is DOWN TO CHRIS HUGHTON AND THE JOB HE HAS DONE HERE, AND THE TEAM SPIRIT AND FIGHT THAT HE HAS INSTILLED IN THIS NEWCASTLE UNITED TEAM!


note: did anyone else find their blood boiling at images of Ashley rubbing hands together in overexaggerated celebration, with a smug look that said 'you Geordies are thick, i was Right you were Wrong, I obviously made the right decision'. what a CNUT! I have no doubt in my mind that Chris Hughton could have got that result last night!

i think there is some level of preparation for managerial change at all clubs though, andycole. its a murky business, but even at its best, plans will be in place for who a club may wish to take over shgould they find themselves without a amanger for any reason. there would be contact, probably indirect through agents for the club and the prospective new boss, well in advance of a position coming vacant.
think of man utd, i bet they have had several guys lined up over the last twenty years. not promised a job, but sounded out as possibilities. a manager could have health problems, be in an accident, accept a better job, or just retire, as well as being sacked, these are situations where a big business like a football club of that level should be prepared with at least a shortlist of interested parties.
i read the interview with pardew, you can see it on nufc.com, he suggested agents may have spoken, though he denied speaking directly to the club. not quite as cut and dried as 'no contact'

You're dancing around the point, lmk. I agree with a lot of what Andy Cole says. And this decision has gone long way to erase the measure of good will I had developed for Ashley as he was fulfilling the job for which I judge him: running NUFC efficiently. I now suspect that the period of calm at the club was an anomaly, as Ashley continued to implement his plan of turning NUFC's front office into his own personal social club. I find that to be an ominous sign for the club's future. I'm not going to overlook it because of one good result.

Related: I was irritated by AP's smugness over this. If he's looking to avoid getting tarred with the same brush as Ashley, he might avoid comments like "[the supporters] thought they had some stability [with Hughton]."

i'm not dancing around anything tunyc! i merely stated my opinion, which was that pardew hadnt, strictly, denied contact, the way andycole suggested.

why would i dance around? that suggests an agenda here, do you see one? enlighten me, please!