Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
By Gallowgate Luke
December 19 2010
During his tenure at NUFC, Dennis Wise was not one of the more popular suit and tie men. Some fans even labelled him “The Poisonous little dwarf”. However, Wise has now claimed that it was he who fought to keep young hotshot striker Andy Carroll at the club when “Certain people” wanted to sell him!
Wise says he was the one who got Carroll to put pen to paper and sign a new contract. Wise also claims that he didn’t sign the Uruguayan Ignacio Gonzalez which was one of Kevin Keegan’s largest grievances with the club.
Keegan says Gonzalez being forced on him was one of the key reasons he quit SJP. I’m not trying to start a Dennis Wise fan club here but it really makes you wonder how many men were merely puppets to Ashley and his inner circle!
Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: TyneTalk (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2010 10:37
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Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: TOONTILLIDIE (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2010 16:03
Wise is getting himself around recently was on the BBC yesterday, and the link is going on the bbc football tomorrow so going to watch and see what crack he has to say. Was on Goals on Sunday, and is still a pr@ck.
Must be wanting a job now, so getting himself known again
Must be wanting a job now, so getting himself known again
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: MissC (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2010 16:40
was interesting he said he wasnt sure he wanted to get "back" into coaching.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: lostmekeys (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2010 19:08
maybe just a reference to his time at mk dons or leeds carys, as he wasnt a coach up here.
and wasnt vetere (sp) or jimenez involved in recruitment at the time, as well as wise?
and wasnt vetere (sp) or jimenez involved in recruitment at the time, as well as wise?
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: TOONTILLIDIE (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2010 19:13
Maybe he sees his role in the board room now, as it wasn't that he was an amazing manager anyway
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: lostmekeys (IP Logged)
Date: 19/12/2010 19:59
didnt he take millwall to a cup final?!
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: tunyc (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2010 16:55
Couldn't be bothered-has he admitted that he's Nico yet?
Yes, Jiminez was involved in player recruitment as well.
Yes, Jiminez was involved in player recruitment as well.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: TOONTILLIDIE (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2010 20:14
Yeah he took them to the final, but then there is sometimes a team that shocks a few and go on a cup run. But he never took them up into the top flight and he had a good team, look at what he did at leeds, another good team and couldn't get them up.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: lostmekeys (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2010 20:27
hardly a failure mind. did nothing for newcastle united, and was one of teh most hated players i remember seeing at sjp, but some credit is due for his managerial record. it isnt as bad as all that.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: tunyc (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2010 21:57
Surprising to hear from someone with so much disdain for Allardyce.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: lostmekeys (IP Logged)
Date: 20/12/2010 22:25
ex-sunderland player allardyce, is that who you mean tunyc? (winky)
i saw quite a few vox-pop interviews with blackburn fans last monday as the news broke. none of them were particularly upset to see him go. several said they had given up season tickets as even though the results had improved, the games were as dull as ditch.
so there you have it. there is more to it tunyc, there are results, there are performances, and most importantly, there are makems.
i saw quite a few vox-pop interviews with blackburn fans last monday as the news broke. none of them were particularly upset to see him go. several said they had given up season tickets as even though the results had improved, the games were as dull as ditch.
so there you have it. there is more to it tunyc, there are results, there are performances, and most importantly, there are makems.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: tunyc (IP Logged)
Date: 21/12/2010 16:30
Anecdotes are anecdotes. I can find comments going both ways all over the internet. I saw "thank you, Sam" banners at their game against West Ham. I certainly heard the loud boos at the end of that match. I doubt that has nothing to do with sacking a moderately successful manager and then the interim promptly leading the team to...defeat against the worst side in the league.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: lostmekeys (IP Logged)
Date: 21/12/2010 19:30
so, to defend wise in the mildest way possible for his relative success, is to also defend allardyce from any criticism?
ok.
i really dont like his teams, i especially didnt like the last one he sent out at st james, which beat us. i gave credit on the night for his enterprise, but i wouldnt want newcastle to do that at any away ground in the world. hypocrite? i dont think so, personally.
ok.
i really dont like his teams, i especially didnt like the last one he sent out at st james, which beat us. i gave credit on the night for his enterprise, but i wouldnt want newcastle to do that at any away ground in the world. hypocrite? i dont think so, personally.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: TOONTILLIDIE (IP Logged)
Date: 21/12/2010 20:12
Sam got a cr@p side results, and he can't be knocked for that, no good at us but Blackburn got it wrong, and if I was a fan I would be worried, yes they played rubbish football but wouldn't have went down
Wise record is good if you go on stats alone, but I think he under achieved when you take into account the players he had, and should have taken Leeds up and with the players at Millwall he should have taken them up as well
Wise record is good if you go on stats alone, but I think he under achieved when you take into account the players he had, and should have taken Leeds up and with the players at Millwall he should have taken them up as well
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: tunyc (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2010 15:15
Whoops-Blackburn drew against WHAM rather than lost. I guess nobody here noticed because it might as well have been a loss.
Not calling you a hypocrite, lmk. I literally mean what I said above, that I was surprised.
You can get over any dislike of Wise's demeanor enough to give him credit for his managerial career. I can get over thinking SA's teams play very ugly football enough to acknowledge that he's never failed to fulfill his mission at clubs that didn't fire him precipitously.
For better or for worse, I doubt we would have been relegated had we stuck with SA.
Not calling you a hypocrite, lmk. I literally mean what I said above, that I was surprised.
You can get over any dislike of Wise's demeanor enough to give him credit for his managerial career. I can get over thinking SA's teams play very ugly football enough to acknowledge that he's never failed to fulfill his mission at clubs that didn't fire him precipitously.
For better or for worse, I doubt we would have been relegated had we stuck with SA.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: lostmekeys (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2010 19:38
did you call me nico earlier in this thread?
then you tell me you're surprised at the mildest correction i suggested to the stance on wise, in a role he never took at our club?
i dont actually get the point you were making. dennis wise had a promising start to his managerial career, and had relative success before leaving his last club, leeds, to take a backroom position at newcastle. its hardly high praise to say wise wasnt a failure. whats that got to do with allardyce? and did you look up charles hughes from last time we spat in big sams direction?
jeez, we need a fixture, going stir crazy here!
then you tell me you're surprised at the mildest correction i suggested to the stance on wise, in a role he never took at our club?
i dont actually get the point you were making. dennis wise had a promising start to his managerial career, and had relative success before leaving his last club, leeds, to take a backroom position at newcastle. its hardly high praise to say wise wasnt a failure. whats that got to do with allardyce? and did you look up charles hughes from last time we spat in big sams direction?
jeez, we need a fixture, going stir crazy here!
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: tunyc (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2010 21:02
No, I called Wise "Nico", as they're the only two people in the world who ever thought Nacho Gonzalez should be at NUFC.
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: lostmekeys (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2010 22:46
Quote:tunyc
No, [b]I called Wise "Nico",[b] as they're the only two people in the world who ever thought Nacho Gonzalez should be at NUFC.
isnt that what i said?
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: TOONTILLIDIE (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2010 11:19
Quote:lostmekeys
[i]jeez, we need a fixture, going stir crazy here!
Too right, can't wait. Back in the toon for the Man City game
Re: Dennis Wise On Carroll and Gonzalez
Posted by: tunyc (IP Logged)
Date: 23/12/2010 16:04
Your jedi mind tricks will not work on me, lmk.
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