ECC Qualification Status
By Touchline
January 22 2009
The last weekend and still all to play for in the European Challenge Cup. At then moment four teams have definitely qualified whatever happens this weekend. They are Pool 1 London Irish Pool 2 Northampton Saints Pool 3 Worcester Warriors Pool 4 Undecided Pool 5 Saracens The remaining places and which teams get home draws for the Quarter Finals will be resolved over the weekend
Teams ranked 1 - 4 will have home advantage. The Quarter-Finals will be:
Team 1 v Team 8 (Match A) Team 2 v Team 7 (Match B)
Team 3 v Team 6 (Match C) Team 4 v Team 5 (Match D)
The Semi-Finals will be knock-out, each played over one match.
The winners of the Quarter-final Match A will play the winners of Match D and the winners of Match B will play the winners of Match C at the home venues of the winners of Match A and B
Current Status
Maximum points and wins attainable:
QUALIFIED: London Irish – 30 points / 6 wins
Connacht Rugby – 19 points / 4 wins
Rugby Rovigo – 10 points / 2 wins
Dax – 9 points / 2 wins
POOL 2
Maximum points and wins attainable:
QUALIFIED: Northampton Saints – 29 points / 6 wins
Bristol Rugby – 15 points / 3 wins
Montpellier – 14 points / 3 wins
Toulon – 10 points / 2 wins
POOL 3
Maximum points and wins attainable:
QUALIFIED: Worcester Warriors – 24 points / 5 wins
Petrarca Rugby – 18 points / 4 wins
Bourgoin – 15 points / 3 wins
Bucuresti Oaks – 10 points / 2 wins
POOL 4
Maximum points and wins attainable:
Brive – 24 points / 5 wins
Overmach Parma –21 points / 4 wins
Newcastle Falcons – 19 points / 4 wins
Cetransa El Salvador – 5 points / 1 win
POOL 5
Maximum points and wins attainable:
QUALIFIED: Saracens – 27 points / 6 wins
Viadana – 17 points / 4 wins
Bayonne – 13 points / 3 wins
Mont de Marsan – 6 points / 1 win
http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/174_12161.php
ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: FalconsRugby.org.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 13:48
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Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 13:58
So if we and Brive both win we are through, only question is whether we are 6th, 7th or 8th seed. Simple enough.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 14:13
Away at either Worcester or, yet again, Brive and, in the unlikely event of a Falcons away win, an away semi-final against the Irish or Saints. We should jack this cup in and concentrate on trying to survive in the league.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 14:25
Terrible idea. Though I fear Bates will play a reserve team in the quarters, especially if we are still not safe.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:01:22:14:26:03 by Leipziger.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:01:22:14:26:03 by Leipziger.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: The Pedant (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 17:08
As a point of pedantry, after Round 5 Brive have also qualified; the only debate is whether they go through as Pool Winners (4th or 5th seed) or runners up (6th or 7th seed)
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 18:10
If they lost & Cannacht win with a 5 pointer is that the case? Then Parma would go through as pool winners and Us, Brive and Connacht would all have 19 points. We'd beat Brive having scored more tries in the matches between us but would Connacht sneak ahead of Brive. Surely you couldn't have 3 teams from the same group?
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 18:33
Within a group the head-to-head results count before the number of tries. So if Parma win we'd be third in the group and out. I wouldn't mind that at all as we're not going to win the cup and could concentrate on the league.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: The Pedant (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 19:47
Rule book please Touchline.
If clubs in the same Pool are equal the first test is match points in the games between the clubs.
Having lost in Brive and at last weekend at home, we're not second in our group if Parma win tonight. And you can't qualify as third placed.
Now where are those on-line pictures butty??
If clubs in the same Pool are equal the first test is match points in the games between the clubs.
Having lost in Brive and at last weekend at home, we're not second in our group if Parma win tonight. And you can't qualify as third placed.
Now where are those on-line pictures butty??
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 20:36
It seems we're not members of the European Television something or other. Hasn't Gordon signed us up to that yet.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 21:57
Why don't we just wait until after the weekend, it will be dead easy to establish who's through and who's not then.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 23:07
There's no fooling you Dodgy
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2009 23:19
Wow, we've got the best defensive record in the league.
When was the last time we could claim that?
1998?
When was the last time we could claim that?
1998?
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2009 20:25
Away to Sarries in Match C is my prediction
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: maccafan (IP Logged)
Date: 23/01/2009 21:46
Sarries pack looked good against the French tonight,although the census man got done in the scrum.Tough game at the Vicarage,but with Sicknote back we might just have a chance.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 09:09
Connacht got 5 points last night so are on 19 the same as we'll be with a 5 pointer today. They have only scored 20 tries though whereas we only have 17 so far, so the 4 tries we need for the BP will take us ahead of them and make us 6th playing Sarries. A 4 pointer would probably give us Saints as we'd qualify 7th.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: maccafan (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 09:16
Seems like we got the short straw in the tin-pot.Brive qualify,and all the other French teams are disinterested,even Connacht creamed the Dax mob.Toulon,Montpellier,Mont de Marsan,Bayonne etc couldn't care less!
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 09:30
That's true and it would also have been better to play Brive at home first. But it's hard to see beyond the Irish. They look to be the best side in the comp by a margin and will be at home until the final. Certainly can't see the Falcons beating them.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: maccafan (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 16:59
50 plus points for Saints and Worcs.Does anyone see us scoring 50 against anyone?
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 17:25
The Spanish amateurs tomorrow
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 17:31
We'll not put 50 on them man.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 17:32
I've gone for 41-5 in the perdiction league
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: westand (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 17:53
41-5, Are we going to be beaten by that much?
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 19:41
We'll put a cricket score on them, Bates will enthuse about how everything he's be working on has finally come together and this is the turning point for the future and Thumper will give him the job for life.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 20:00
Latest status
Pool 1 Completed
Irish 29 points 44 tries
Connacht 19 points, 20 tries
Pool 2
Saints 29 points 32 tries Completed
Bristol to play, Maximum possible 15 points
Pool 3 Completed
Wuss 24 points 36 tries
Bourgoin 15 points 18 tries
Pool 4
Brive 24 points 33 tries Completed
Parma 16 points 19 tries Completed
Falcons to play, Maximum possible 19 points currently 17 tries
Pool 5
Saracens 26 points 20 tries Completed
Viadana to play, Maximum Possible 17 points
Pool 1 Completed
Irish 29 points 44 tries
Connacht 19 points, 20 tries
Pool 2
Saints 29 points 32 tries Completed
Bristol to play, Maximum possible 15 points
Pool 3 Completed
Wuss 24 points 36 tries
Bourgoin 15 points 18 tries
Pool 4
Brive 24 points 33 tries Completed
Parma 16 points 19 tries Completed
Falcons to play, Maximum possible 19 points currently 17 tries
Pool 5
Saracens 26 points 20 tries Completed
Viadana to play, Maximum Possible 17 points
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: DGNTR (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2009 23:47
So we're sitting pretty then?
WE should have beat Brive, we'd then have been good for the SF possibly.
It was criminal that we didn't beat Brive, a little bit of savvy and we would have. That's the problem we play without common sense or tactics most of the time. Only the coaches to blame for that.
WE should have beat Brive, we'd then have been good for the SF possibly.
It was criminal that we didn't beat Brive, a little bit of savvy and we would have. That's the problem we play without common sense or tactics most of the time. Only the coaches to blame for that.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2009 08:49
Sitty pretty? You could say that. Apart from Bristol who had Saints in their group, the only GP team in the Tinpot Cup who didn't win their Pool. Another claim to fame for the Master.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2009 16:54
Quarter Final lineups
Match A Irish v Bourgoin
Match B Saints v Connacht
Match C Sarries v Falcons
Match D Wuss v Brive
Parma are unlucky as they got more points that Bourgoin but the rules say the 3 runners up places come from the second placed team in each group
Semifinals are then
Match A winner v Match D winner
March B winner v Match C winner
Club may nominate 3 additonal players after the pool stages of which one must be in a front row position
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:01:26:13:13:34 by TouchLine.
Match A Irish v Bourgoin
Match B Saints v Connacht
Match C Sarries v Falcons
Match D Wuss v Brive
Parma are unlucky as they got more points that Bourgoin but the rules say the 3 runners up places come from the second placed team in each group
Semifinals are then
Match A winner v Match D winner
March B winner v Match C winner
Club may nominate 3 additonal players after the pool stages of which one must be in a front row position
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:01:26:13:13:34 by TouchLine.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2009 19:30
Its a shame i can see us beaing Sarries or Connacht beating saints as another trip over there would be good fun.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: maccafan (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2009 19:31
4 Home wins,and an Irish/Saints final.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2009 20:00
with Irish to win
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: Dr. B. (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2009 20:05
If there was one thing that would make the world seem a better place, it would be us beating Sarries and Connacht beating Saints.
I love Galway.
I love Galway.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2009 20:37
I hope they're not nightmares
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: Dr. B. (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2009 20:43
Not if they're about Galway.
Vicarage Road on the other hand ......
Vicarage Road on the other hand ......
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2009 06:00
Personally I'm just happy we're not going to Worcester again.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: losixxx (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2009 07:42
feeling's very mutual Leipziger!
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: London_Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2009 09:38
What's the fascination with a Connacht win?
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: London_Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2009 12:47
But the beer at Kingston Park is rubbish !!
Forgive me if I have this wrong but if we beat Sarries (big if) then we get a home semi final, don't we?
Forgive me if I have this wrong but if we beat Sarries (big if) then we get a home semi final, don't we?
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: westand (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2009 12:58
Quote:LF
But the beer at Kingston Park is rubbish !!
There are other watering Holes
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2009 13:08
No, Saints or Connacht will be at home.
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2009 21:15
exactly and Galway is a very good trip
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: London_Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2009 21:53
Leipy / Steve - quite right, having read thread properly this time I realise that I was 100% wrong - cheers!
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2009 13:39
A bit late, but the final finishing places
1) LONDON IRISH
Pool 1 winners - 29 points; 44 tries
2) NORTHAMPTON SAINTS
Pool 2 winners - 29 points; 37 tries
3) SARACENS
Pool 5 winners - 26 points; 20 tries
4) WORCESTER WARRIORS
Pool 3 winners - 24 points; 36 tries
5) BRIVE
Pool 4 winners - 24 points; 33 tries
6) NEWCASTLE FALCONS
Best runner-up - 19 points; 24 tries (Pool 4 runner-up)
7) CONNACHT RUGBY
Second best runner-up - 19 points; 20 tries (Pool 1 runner-up)
8) BOURGOIN
Third best runner-up - 15 points; 18 tries (Pool 3 runner-up)
1) LONDON IRISH
Pool 1 winners - 29 points; 44 tries
2) NORTHAMPTON SAINTS
Pool 2 winners - 29 points; 37 tries
3) SARACENS
Pool 5 winners - 26 points; 20 tries
4) WORCESTER WARRIORS
Pool 3 winners - 24 points; 36 tries
5) BRIVE
Pool 4 winners - 24 points; 33 tries
6) NEWCASTLE FALCONS
Best runner-up - 19 points; 24 tries (Pool 4 runner-up)
7) CONNACHT RUGBY
Second best runner-up - 19 points; 20 tries (Pool 1 runner-up)
8) BOURGOIN
Third best runner-up - 15 points; 18 tries (Pool 3 runner-up)
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: TouchLine (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2009 12:20
Newcastle Falcons' European Challenge Cup quarter-final away to Saracens will take place on Sunday April 12 at Vicarage Road in Watford.
Tournament organisers ERC have confirmed a 3pm kick-off for the game, which will not be televised live.
Schedule
Tournament organisers ERC have confirmed a 3pm kick-off for the game, which will not be televised live.
Schedule
Re: ECC Qualification Status
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2009 12:22
Cheers Touchy. I normally work Sunday nights so I'll get a welcome early night on that one.
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