Scrum changes at Kingston Park


By Monkey1
June 14 2013

 The IRB have imposed a global trial of new scrum laws to begin from the start of next season, put simply this means they have changed the scrum laws again. This will affect every rugby union club in the world, but what concerns us of course is how this will affect Newcastle Falcons. Any change to the rules of the game will favour the teams that adapt to the changes most effectively. If we do this well it will see us return to the Premiership with a valuable advantage, or if we don’t it could be a tough season ahead.

The new laws affect how the scrum is set up, but in theory will change the entire dynamics of the scrum, so it means significant changes to the game as a whole. To summarise, the referee will now set the scrum by calling “crouch” “touch” “set”, the props will bind using their outside arm when the referee calls “touch” and they maintain the bind. This is intended to improve player safety, the hit being reduced in force by about 25%, reduce collapsed scrums, and also establishes a more stable platform for the scrum. The improved stability is the aspect that brings about big changes, as the IRB also wishes to see this result in the opposing packs competing for the ball.

 

The scrum as we know it dates back to the beginning of the 20th century. Until 1905 it was a pretty informal affair, the relevant law simply stating:

A Scrummage, which can only take place in the field of play, is formed by one or more players from each side closing round the ball when it is on the ground, or by their closing up in readiness to allow the ball to be put on the ground between them.

The first forwards to arrive at the scene were the first to pack down, in no particular order. The New Zealand team that toured that year, the tour during which they were named the All Blacks, brought new discipline to the scrum with devastating effect. For the first time, the same people would take up the same positions in the scrum each time. At that time the British teams favoured a formation that we would recognise today, three at the front (all hookers) two behind to lock them together, then three at the back, but any player could find himself in any position depending on who was first to arrive and set the scrum. The New Zealand team selected players to take up the same position each time, chosen to suit their build and skills to best effect. They set up a seven man scrum with two hookers at the front, and this drove into just one side of the opposing eight man scrum, effectively turning it into a contest of seven v six. This was banned in the 1930s, but it wasn’t until the 1960s that the scrum we know today was formalised, with eight men on each side, players remaining bound, and the offside line moved to the hindmost foot of the scrum.

 Scrum 1905

Since then the scrum has remained largely unchanged, but the increased professionalism of the game has produced forwards of much more specialised skill, and more power. Various law changes have been tinkered about with to try to control the scrum as the power has been ramped up year on year, and to attempt to limit the resulting risk of serious injuries.

 

The present scrum is a mess at the higher levels of the game. Everything has been developed around the hit, therefore we have a front row of three props with a powerhouse behind, the ball is almost irrelevant. On command the two packs engage hard, then the scrum half waves the ball at the referee and appeals for a penalty with big puppy dog eyes. Sometimes the scrum half realises that this isn’t going to work so he feeds it straight to his own second row, which by this time is all over the place. Rarely does the ball emerge before the referee blows for a penalty for any one of over forty possible infringements. It is a pretty random process, entirely dependent on how little the referee understands the scrum, and a long way from the original ethos of competing for the ball.

 

It appears that the intention of these new law changes is to bring about an end to this farce. Not only have the rules of engagement (pun intended) been changed, but there are new instructions as to how the scrum will be refereed too. The emphasis is on a stable scrum with the ball fed in straight between the front rows, which will be fantastic progress to bring us back to where we were so many years ago. If this works it will mean big changes to the roles of hookers and scrum halves, and to a lesser extent props too.

 

Having the ball fed into the centre of the scrum will bring back the lost art of hooking. I doubt that any of our hookers has actually had to hook the ball since the days of Ross Nesdale. Since then the requirement to hook the ball out of the tunnel to your second row has been all but lost as everything centred on the big push. Props no longer prop up the hooker either, all three front rowers simply push forward as a unit (or up, down, sideways or even pull if they think they can get away with it).

 

Of our four hookers, Matt Thompson has really made his mark over the last season, and seems to have found his feet under the Dean Richards regime at Kingston Park. He is a big ol’unit as they say, typical of his type these days, and we have Scott Lawson joining us from London Irish who is of the same construction. Next season however could maybe see favour fall towards Rob Vickers, who also did a fine job in the 2 shirt last season but who is possibly more suited to old fashioned scrimmaging than Thompson, or even George McGuigan, the 20 year old from Yorkshire.  This sort of change can really open up the fight for the shirt, and I am sure all four will be on the case to make the most of the new edicts.

 Rob Vickers, Newcastle Falcons

Props will have to get used to some changes too. The emphasis is very much on making the scrum a stable platform so that there can be genuine contest to win the ball. That is going to put bigger demands on the props to stay bound, stationary until the ball goes in, and at the same time support the hooker. It may not sound like much of a change from what props should do anyway, but it will require whole new techniques, and those who fail to adapt will find themselves on the floor and on the wrong side of the referees whistle.

 

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Rory Lawson Barbarians

If all does go to plan, then referees will be looking to see the ball put in quickly, and then logic suggests that it has to come back out again.  Until now, scrum halves have only ever put the ball in as a last resort. I have been to the bar, bought several pints and read a newspaper at Kingston Park before coming back out to find the scrummie still waving the ball about at the side of the scrum.  The theory is that your wily front five will win you a penalty with their dark arts without any need for the ball, and it works. In future there will be no latitude for such a carry on, or at least that seems to be the intention, although the cynic in me thinks that both front rows will still try to destabilise the opposition to win penalties without bothering with the ball. Only time will tell.

 

If by some miracle the theory does work, then those who wear the number nine shirt will have to learn a whole new set of skills, working with the front five on timing & techniques to have a good chance of winning the ball while appearing to be feeding in fairly. Deano may have been a bit clever in signing Mike Blair in this respect. The Edinburgh born scrum half not only has a wealth of experience with 85 caps to his name, he is also in the habit of feeding into the scrum without messing about, then getting in position ready for the exit at the back. It is the way he has always played, and could give him quite an advantage compared to those who are more used to waving the ball under the referee’s nose at scrum time.

 Mike Blair in action

It is certainly going to give us something different to watch next season. All premiership clubs have to adapt to the new changes, and who comes out on top at scrum time will be down to how well the coaching teams prepare their players for the season ahead. With ex- international forwards John Wells & Dean Richards in charge of proceedings, as well as highly experienced Kiwi Peter Russell, we are looking pretty good on the preparation front. There will be winners and losers at the scrum next season, we can have a little faith that with our coaching team we stand a good chance of being on top.

Deano at Goldington Rd

Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: FalconsRugby.org.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2013 12:08

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Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: AFalcon24 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2013 12:36

I think it takes the excitement out of Scrums abit i just hope we don't get like League with Scrums.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: mannin (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2013 12:50

The "hit" was a created part of the scrum anyway. Anything that lessens re-sets and penalties will be welcomed with open arms.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: JohnSt (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2013 17:05

Thanks for this piece Monkey, I hadn't realised this change was coming but I'm really pleased to hear that it is; long overdue IMHO and I can only see advantages coming from it. I think it will lead to greater skill, finesse and technique in scrummaging, which I’m confident most rugby fans will appreciate. It will be critical for clubs, referees and the RFU to make sure the trial and its implications will be embedded by the start of the season and that referees will police it consistently.

I’ve just looked at the RFU website to find information about the law change and what plans there may be to support clubs and referees in adapting to it. It looks like player welfare is driving the proposed change but I agree with Monkey that it should lead to a better spectacle for fans too. There isn’t much information available at the moment but apparently there will be a lot of information and support available from the beginning of July. Club training sessions and friendly games played during the forthcoming close season are expected to adopt the proposed law change. I’m looking forward to our friendlies to get a feel for whether the changes will work as it's hoped. I’m particularly looking forward to seeing if referees will actually penalise teams that don’t put the ball in straight.

For anyone interested the link below will take them to the relevant parts of the RFU website:

Why the law change is being proposed:

[www.rfu.com]

Support for clubs and referees (so maybe of interest to we fans):

[www.rfu.com]#



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Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: wwns (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2013 20:34

Nice article Monkey. These changes may spell the end for some of the larger front row players in the game if it comes down to true technique. Should be interesting.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Kwa444 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2013 10:03

Totally agree wwns. The larger players are too big to get themselves the space to move to ensure they can secure their own ball if it comes in straight. They have no chance on the oppos ball! The refs will have to keep an eye on the hit and attempts to charge before the ball enters. Hookers may well have to resort to signalling when they want the ball in to the 9 again.

Wow proper scrums again - Brian Moore must be apoplectic with happiness!

Cheers for the good news Monkey.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2013 11:26

Cheers Monkey, very interesting read. I think that the scrum problems are among the biggest threats to the professional game and if players and referees respect the new laws then the game should improve considerably.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: JohnSt (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2013 12:59

Some interesting video clips added to RFU site show how the new scrummaging law is intended to work:

[www.rfu.com]



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Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: markismith50 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2013 13:23

... and by sheer coincidence, Scott Lawson talks about exactly this subject in today's Chron [bit.ly]

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: JohnSt (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2013 13:38

Hi Mark,
Any chance of some technical info from the lads about implications arising from the change at some point?

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: markismith50 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2013 13:57

"Hi Mark,
Any chance of some technical info from the lads about implications arising from the change at some point?"

I did ask, but verdict seems to be that we won't know until it has been tried in live match scenarios with various referees and all the inherent inconsistencies.

From a strict technical viewpoint in terms of the preparation they are doing at the moment, there doesn't seem a major change.

In fairness I've not sat down with Wardy as yet to properly get into the specifics, but I guess the first month or two will tell us more.



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Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: eebagum (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2013 17:23

I just cant believe the total amateurish approach by the powers-that-be to the changes in the Scrummage Laws.I add to my previous rants about international referees and their interpretation of the rules during the Lions games, and now point the finger at the RFU and Premiership.
How difficult would it be to get the Premiership Pool of referees together, look at the new laws, agree how they are interpreted and how they will be implemented.Then attend Premiership Club Training sessions and make sure ALL are fully aware of the changes.How simple is that?
'I guess the first month or two will tell us more' is a crazy situation.We have serious investment by Club Owners.We have players livelihoods at stake....not getting it right til November can find some clubs staring relegation in the face over a technicality.Crazy

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: markismith50 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2013 17:29

"How difficult would it be to get the Premiership Pool of referees together, look at the new laws, agree how they are interpreted and how they will be implemented.Then attend Premiership Club Training sessions and make sure ALL are fully aware of the changes.How simple is that? "

In fairness, they DO do everything you say. But in a match scenario with so many variables, total consistency of interpretation is naturally not going to be 100% across the board.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Almostan Oldgit (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2013 12:59

From a personal perspective, I do not see much changing. The difference is that you will be able to hold onto your oppo when you hit him, maybe pull him where you want him or pull him in to you to increase the impact. The big lad will still win, if the two are technically matched. At least both props will actually have a hold on each other, so should prevent slipping off and collapsing that way, indeed some may even hold there oppo up to prevent collapse (depending upon how the ref is interpreting fault). So hopefully less collapses, but don't see the forecast changes in the general scrummage or in the physical shape of the front row.
As regards actually having to hook, well that is all down to the feed; I will bare my backside in Fenwicks window if we see consistancy at all levels regarding crooked feeding in the scrum! We can but hope though.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: JohnSt (IP Logged)
Date: 24/07/2013 15:26

Less scrum collapses in itself would be a big change in my book. Many people I've talked to think that straight feeds and a bit more artistry at scrum time would represent significant improvements too. Here's hoping!

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/07/2013 16:23

It will be the strict refereeing of straight feeds between the front rows that will make or break the changes. It was supposed to be in force for the Lions games but in reality the ball was sent into the 2nd row & I didn't see a single penalisation of a crooked feed. If that is their idea of 'strict refereeing of straight feeds' they may as well not bother.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 24/07/2013 17:52

Stopping the collapses and a scrum lasting five minutes is by far the biggest thing for me. After that is sorted they can sort out the feeds.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/07/2013 18:07

Unless the feed is changed I really can't see these new laws making much difference. Unless the front rows actually have to compete for the ball it will remain a pushing contest, they will just find different ways to collapse the scrum & try to blame the opposition, and the fiasco will still go on for weeks on end with scrums being a contest to win penalties rather than win posession.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Barbancet (IP Logged)
Date: 24/07/2013 20:08

Scrums have always been a pushing contest. The more co-ordinated the push the more effective it is. It was the "hit" that was causing most of the collapse problems. Set the scrum, put the ball in & then shove.

I might add, there's nothing wrong with putting a bit of "off spin" on the ball on the put-in, as long as it goes into the scrum straight.

I can only see it as an improvement all round. We'll see.

.....but what do I know? I'm not an Australian TMO.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2013 12:15

I can't see much changing unless the front rows have to compete for the ball, so this interview with Ed Morrison, RFU referees boss, looks quite promising:

Quote:
Referees have been managing the scrum quite forcefully in practise sessions and we've told clubs that the days of putting the ball into the second row are well and truly over. We'll be policing the scrum-feed carefully.

ESPN.co.uk

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: JohnSt (IP Logged)
Date: 17/08/2013 21:55

I really enjoyed watching the Aus v NZ and SA v Argentina games today. These were the first games I’d seen played under the new scrummaging laws and I felt they contributed significantly to the overall viewing experience. Crooked feeds were penalised and there were fewer resets. Hookers were even seen hooking! There also appeared to be less inevitability about the outcomes of scrums and also which channel the ball would appear from, or the speed with which it would appear. It seemed this led to some exciting attacking opportunities around the fringes whilst the scrums still looked like really dynamic, phyical contests.
Although it’s early days I’m really optimistic the changes will prove a great success. I wondered what other people might have thought.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Thespence_uk (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2013 08:23

Cockerill isn't happy

You have got a whole generation of hookers who have never had to do that," said Cockerill to the Daily Telegraph.

"The guys these days are much, much heavier. With one foot up in the air, are you telling me that's safe? None of us have been consulted.

"The teams engage and have to hold off pushing until the ref tells the scrum-half it's OK to put the ball in, and to put it in straight.

"After 15 years of ignoring it, that's ridiculous. You're exchanging one mess for another mess."

[www.planetrugby.co.uk]

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: markismith50 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2013 09:01

Montanella livid in yesterday's journal.

Had a good chat with wardy for next week, and he is very much in favour

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Barbancet (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2013 09:55

In the absence of the "hit", perhaps Franck will resurrect the old French front row tradition of banging his head against the dressing room wall until it bleeds.(His head that is, not the wall).

How many props would we need on the bench if we had blood replacements on before the kick off?(Sm164)

.....but what do I know? I'm not an Australian TMO.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: markismith50 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2013 10:11

Big Franck [bit.ly]

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Geordie (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2013 13:20

I dont get how Franck thinks it'll worsen the scrum.

Surely the big hit was detrimental, as it meant (generally) the larger heavier guys would win the hit.

Now we have the front row actually having to wrestle and use technique to get on top of each other. Its a proper scrum competition from the old years again...and means you dont have to be a gorrilla to play there anymore. Smaller props can still compete if their technique is strong.

Seems to me the people complaining are the ones worried about their technique and actual scrumaging ability.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2013 13:44

Quote:
GeordieFalcon
...and means you dont have to be a gorrilla to play there anymore.....

The gorillas will be the ones doing the complaining. This spells the end for massive props who can do nothing except shove, more skilful front rowers who are capable of both shoving & competing for the ball will take the place of the gorillas.

All this talk of scrums going the way of league is scaremongering cobblers from those who are afraid that the change will threaten their position on the perch. In reality it is the very welcome of true scrummaging, two packs competing for the ball in a genuine contest of grunt & skill. Hookers will hook, props will prop the hookers, it takes guile & power in a majestic battle to win the ball, and the five at the back of the scrum to collect it & get it out. That is a massive improvement on the farce that has become of the scrum, big lumps smashing into each other with the ball almost irrelevant.

Bring it on.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: markismith50 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2013 13:53

Monkey, you've pretty much echoed what Wardy said when I interviewed him... will run that next week at some stage.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2013 12:21

Well last night's scrums looked a mile better than what we have become used to over the years. A good solid platform by both sides, few resets, mostly resulting in winning the ball out of the scrum rather than endless penalties. In terms of stability combined with shoving the opposition off the ball I would say Falcons have worked harder than Edinburgh on the new techniques & reaped the rewards. The referee made it very clear that he was watching the front rows carefully, all very promising stuff.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2013 12:25

There didn't seem to be much collapsing, which was good, despite there still seeming to be some 'hits' going on. At one point I noticed the referee on the blindside looking solely at the put-in, which may have allowed the props to get away with some skulduggery, but I guess referees will have to develop ways to see more now that they are looking for more. For my first look at the new scrums, it didn't look bad.

Re: Scrum changes at Kingston Park
Posted by: wayoutwest1 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2013 12:34

Not bad at all.

Took a bit more time to set up and to get to the crouch stage but I guess this will improve as the players get used to the new format.

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