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And im at a flipping wedding...how inconsiderate having a wedding on this day!

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And im at a flipping wedding...how inconsiderate having a wedding on this day!

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GeordieFalcon
And im at a flipping wedding...how inconsiderate having a wedding on this day!

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Yes thats what i was actually thinking...ways and means...

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Oh well. I was looking forward to our routine win down there, not so much now.

YOU HAVE TO BE F...........

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He was using sweary words

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Ha, you only posted the link because you know what was coming, right? Haha

To be fair its not an advantage to Saints either...hes as bad for all teams

Am I right, that because Worcester play Bath, no matter what the combination of results are, we cannot finish bottom?

Worcester win Bath get a bonus point and we get nothing and we will finish bottom

Pathetic first 10 minutes

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Pathetic first 10 minutes

It seems our kick return strategy is aimlessly hammer it down the middle of the field or aimlessly run away from support.

I wouldn’t mind being beat if we did the basics right SF but we make it SO EASY! Throwing a ball aimlessly and results in a try and just booting it down the middle to probably the most dangerous running rugby outfit in the Orem

And then our entire attack being a static Hodgson popping to a static forward who is obviously getting the ball.

This is absolutely dire.

Ben Kay summarising it perfectly “falcons defence is appalling” people can say what they want but this is diabolical being paid to play rugby and they can’t do the basics right

Hard to watch us to be honest, awful!.

I know what is said about players always caring, but to be perfectly honest about 10 of the starting 15 look like they’re on their holidays. Absolutely zero intensity.

It’s utterly, utterly pathetic.

Do we watch other teams? Do we see them play and think “nah that will never work”?

This sums up this whole management teams tenure not a single game plan and hope we don’t get thumped.

Ah the classic game plan: Hope someone does something brilliant.

Absolute screamer from Chick

WHY IS NO ONE TACKLING!! we are the laughing stock of this league genuinely gobsmacked at how p*** poor these lot are

Nothing sums up the lack of effort more than Burrell getting stepped in the Saints 22 then just stopping and walking after play.

Also what the hell was Graham doing?

It’s almost tragic how BT Sport are so comfortably pointing out everything wrong with our attack and defence and yet a team of paid players and coaches can’t do it.

Nah it’s all the refs fault…

5m away from the line and passing the ball to players standing still. Honestly pathetic

Falcons attacking lineout: Slowly passed along the line to Basham, instantly tackled and a penalty turnover.

Saints attacking lineout: Quick attack, different lines, never clear where the ball is going, great hands, try.

How does our coaching staff think what they’re putting on the field is acceptable? Next season is looking seriously dark.

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Nah it’s all the refs fault…

Inevitably.

Pathetic and appalling havnt wona league game since November and will be lucky to win one next season , the worst team in the league absolutely embarrassing to watch makes me wonder why I keep buying my season ticket.

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Pathetic and appalling havnt wona league game since November and will be lucky to win one next season , the worst team in the league absolutely embarrassing to watch makes me wonder why I keep buying my season ticket.

We beat Wuss away in April.

Hmm.
The butchering of a potential try by Graham was, well...words fail.

Agree with some comments above about some players appearing as if the season is already done. Or maybe they just look a little bit lost.
God, what must Radwan and Carreras be thinking.

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Hmm.
The butchering of a potential try by Graham was, well...words fail.

Agree with some comments above about some players appearing as if the season is already done. Or maybe they just look a little bit lost.
God, what must Radwan and Carreras be thinking.

I imagine Radwan is waiting for the end of his contract and the large amount of money a team with an actual direction and professional standard coaches will offer. And so yet another talented player will leave.

Right. This our last half of the season. Abandon the box kicking tactics from the coaches and just start flinging it about. Give us something (other than Chick's try) to cheer.

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I know what is said about players always caring, but to be perfectly honest about 10 of the starting 15 look like they’re on their holidays. Absolutely zero intensity.

Be careful suggesting anything of the sort...

Luckily I chose not to go today, instead I've just got back from a trip from a pub on the Northamptonshire canal, just in time for our last half of very poor season (it was this or the England cricket collapse)

This half has one purpose: Get McGuigan a try.

Going well then....jeez

Well glass half full time........Karl Dickson awarded us a penalty try,,,,can't think of anything else

Beautifully hilarious try and some hope immediately followed by Falcons showing their wonderful competence in conceding tries

Back to 36-26 behind. What is going on?

Well, we'll not be bottom, thanks to Worcester beating Bath by more than 7 (as we both got TBP), brilliant...

I’ve never been more embarrassed to be a falcons supporter, amateur rugby teams look more cohesive than this! Tait/fearns/Hodgson can go for me Orlando has been shocking today I’ll be so happy for Radwan if he got a massive offer he doesn’t deserve this appalling team nor does Blamire and Mcguigan. NOTHING will change next season as we’ve just promoted within and from what we’ve heard Delano didn’t have much to do with the play anyways

Makes me laugh people saying they feel positive for next season, well I ain't sorry to say.

Nick Mullins mentioning Walder wants to expand the game plan next season, more attacking.

I’ll believe it when I see it. He’s been in charge of the attack for 7 years, is he trying to make us believe he’s just been not allowed to do what he wants and has been fine with it?

Bar a brief period when Saints switched off, it was mostly pathetic.

And why take McGuigan off? Just cost him the top try scorer award.

Anyone want to give some positives for next season? It’s hard to see.

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Pathetic and appalling havnt wona league game since November and will be lucky to win one next season , the worst team in the league absolutely embarrassing to watch makes me wonder why I keep buying my season ticket.

We beat Wuss away in April.

After Worcester had a very interrupted preparation. If two teams played next week I wouldn't put any money on the Falcons. Worst team in the league for the last six months.

Wow...that result looks bad. Free bar here at the wedding...that's positive.

Next year..Mark Wilson will put some steel in them!!

What do they do during the week? I just can't understand how the painfully obvious issues are never addressed. Assuming Mark Wilson is coming(?!) he's got his work cut out.
Word on Dickson and his TMO...shambolic.

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What do they do during the week?

That's what I've said for years .....what do they actually do in training.....

GF, it was at times. We had ten minutes or so at the start of the second half where we actually looked quite good.

But then we conceded a penalty and then they scored and well...

But how many times did we do some great work (passing/ handling) and get right into their 22 only to turn it over and then they (Saints) went the length of the field?? Or that brilliant break from Blamire that should have led to a try only for Tait to mess up the pass and then Freeman scored from it??

Walder will need some help next year. Yes, Wilson will be a good addition. But we probably need an old head Kiwi or someone hungry for a challenge to breathe some new life into our defence.

Fresh ideas in a few areas are needed.

10 TRIES CONCEDED
I know we had a red and yellow card and a ref who likes to put us to the sword but that was terrible / awful / shambolic / whatever.
Good try by Chick and a 5 minute spell but some terrible decisions in attack and defence tactics are none existent.
When Eddie Howe arrived at the wendy ball training ground he told the players that standing still wasn't an option - the same applies to rugby.
We've agreed that the players are committed and give their all but somethings wrong (edited from what I was going to say)

Next season is a new start. Red wine is a great anaesthetic.

Not a great showing at all.

What have they done in training the last 10 months?
What do they do in their pre match tactical briefs?

What the hell has Easter done this year? Radwan/Carreras must have had to defend at least 5 3 on 1s.



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In the first half we got battered without trying to play. In the second half we got battered having tried to play.
I prefer the latter and believe that if we keep trying it will come.
Recruitment wise I believe that there are certain issues that need addressing.
1. A ball carrying 8.
2. A top class 9.
3. A ball carrying 12.

I fear that we will sign any one who might have been good once upon a time in any position that is cheap and available. I want us to target solving our weaknesses.
I do not want to see any new bits and pieces 8,9,12 type players, or outside centres, or wingers or full backs.

We also need some inspiration from the top.

Next season i would like to see:

1. Quicker ruck speed
2. An 8,9 and 10 with a clear plan to be decisive with the fast ball
3. Radwan, Carreras and Stephens as a back 3 getting the ball often
4. Ben stevenson (please)

Thing is, despite the bad result, and performance yesterday (I didn't see the game), we got a bonus point. The bizarre thing is if they had won 6-3 we wouldn't have got anything at all.



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Fewest points scored this season in the prem.

Suffering a red wine hangover...I still ask the question (which ive asked for several years now)..what do the falcons actually do in training?

We HAVE some good players...they look like they've never trained together and have no plan at all...

I only pray this has been down to Dean and not to Walder the current head coach taking over the head coach role.

And Easter should give back the salary he's been collecting as Defence Coach



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The amount of times we were stood still around the ruck when attacking yesterday had me tearing my hair out.

Not one person was attacking the gain line off 9.

Every time in the first half we looked for contact rather than popping before getting hit. That changed slightly in the second half.

Signings for next season haven't really got me that excited either yes I know the financial side of things have impacted on most premiership clubs, having to get rid of players etc, yeah they might do a good job but De Chaves for example doesn't exactly give me a feeling of we will do a lot better next season with the likes of him coming in, yeah again he will do a decent job. I definitely agree though I would like to see a big physical centre brought in give us something different. Also not all down to the players either.

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The amount of times we were stood still around the ruck when attacking yesterday had me tearing my hair out.
Not one person was attacking the gain line off 9.

Every time in the first half we looked for contact rather than popping before getting hit. That changed slightly in the second half.

This is what I mean when I say do we not watch what other teams do?
The highlight of this was 5m out from their line when we would pop the ball to a static player 2m back who would be instantly tackled by several players. What was the strategy? Big Trev to break 7 tackles?

The problems with our attack the way I see it are

1) Poor basic skills --> The amount of time passes between 9-13 are off the mark, slow or dropped is baffling in a professional rugby team.

2) Poor ruck speed --> Every single ruck is 9 gets to the ruck, stops, waits, then passes. It's maddening. This is then exacerbated by slow decision making in the backs

3) Playing too deep --> There was one moment where Hodgson was stood so deep that in the space of 2 phases we went back 30 metres. The only time this has been different was when WHW was playing 10.

4) Lack of deception in attack --> I played a game yesterday. I watched the match with my Dad. Before the ball went out, we called who the ball was going to go to/be taken into contact by. I'd say 90% of the time we were right. If we can manage that, then so can the opposition. It's painfully obvious. And when you compare it to teams using deception, running lines, playing at pace, we're in a different world.

5) Not using strike runners --> This is the one thing that baffles all of us. If any of us were Falcons attack coaches, priority 1 on the board would be "get the ball to Radwan and Carreras in space". And yet there seems to be zero effort to do this.

6) Passive carrying --> "Oh here's some contact, I'm just going to gently fall into it" is the attitude of half our team.

And on defence, it's really bloody simple. Our work rate, which a few years ago was outstanding, is pathetic. So many times overlaps and breaks happened simply because players weren't coming round fast enough, or not getting into position. Burrell getting stepped and then just giving up on the play. Players walking round into position. It just leads to very simple overlaps on the wings, which has happened all season.


Solutions as I see it:

1) Walder has talked about changing the attack next season, playing a more dynamic, fast paced style. Great, lovely, wonderful. Will believe it when I see it. If it doesn't exist after next season, bye, move on.

2) Fitness/S&C. I don't think it's a stretch to say we're the least fit team in the league. We constantly fade in the last 20. We just look a bit slower, weaker than the other teams. That has to change immediately. Pre season needs to be brutal. And the players should want to do it if they are professional rugby players. They should be sick of days like today.

3) Zero tolerance for lazy play in defence. Simple. You don't work as hard as possible in D? You do fitness until you do. You cannot let the team down like that. Saracens for years have had one of the best D's in the Prem. And it's nearly all built on epic work rate

4) Zero tolerance for stupidity. Dumb penalties. Not rolling away. offside. Chucking the ball away without a clear target. Punches, trips, blocks. Every week there's a collection of stupid, unacceptable things we do.

The key thing about all of these above? None of it required new players, a massive cash injection or anything. All it requires is the coaches to admit they haven't been getting it right, really sit down, watch an arseload of other teams play and develop a new style. It requires the players to buy in, work their f***ing @#$%& off and have a higher standard. If they do, we will compete in every match. We will get wins, we will play more attractive rugby, more people will attend, TV will pay attention, players will want to come. We may not win as often as we'd like, but mid table should be wide open for us. And simply put, days like yesterday need to become unacceptable.

Southfalcon ...100% fantastic post!!!

Having a poor 10 with no direction doesn't help either. Hodgson isn't good enough in my opinion.

I'm assuming Hodgson is away now?

We've had one sitting on the naughty step but at least we have 2 coming in next season and Johnson is a great prospect.

SF,

Cracking post!! Every single point you make was bang on!!

The only addition I would make to your excellent summary, however, is that we probably do need at least one new coaching face to help Walder.
And I don't just mean Wilson - who will be great at installing pride and fight - I mean someone who hasn't been 'tainted' with the Falcons.
There must be some experienced old heads down in New Zealand? One of whom would fancy assisting Walder for a couple of years?
He must have made connections with a few of them in Japan.

They would certainly help with reinforcing the 4 solutions you identify.

But other than that I couldn't fault a word.

What I want from next season is entertaining rugby.

I will leave that to the coaches - actual and armchair - to sort that out.

I’m just an old prop who keeps saying you should give it to the backs cos they drop it.

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GeordieFalcon
Suffering a red wine hangover...I still ask the question (which ive asked for several years now)..what do the falcons actually do in training?
We HAVE some good players...they look like they've never trained together and have no plan at all...

I only pray this has been down to Dean and not to Walder the current head coach taking over the head coach role.

And Easter should give back the salary he's been collecting as Defence Coach

I'm more worried about our attack than defence Geordie, there are 3 or 4 teams with worse tries conceded than us which admittedly is no reason to celebrate. However no-one has a worse trying scoring record than us, yet our attack coach is the new head coach. Figure that one out.

That's not to say I'm not worried about our defence also, and would say the same if Easter became head coach.



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South Falcon…are you a coach?….think I know where there is a job for you.
So much wrong with yesterday there’ s no point in dwelling, one of the tv bits that remains with me is Walder and Richards falling about laughing from their vantage point..it was’nt funny!
A few talk about a Heavyweight 12…..but are those days gone?. Man of the Match yesterday was Hutchinson, all5ft 11 and 15st of him.
I d Ike to see a team of athletes, who can catch and pass the ball
, and can tackle, well coached and who can make the right decisions.Sounds simple, come in SF your time has come.

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GeordieFalcon
Suffering a red wine hangover...I still ask the question (which ive asked for several years now)..what do the falcons actually do in training?
We HAVE some good players...they look like they've never trained together and have no plan at all...

I only pray this has been down to Dean and not to Walder the current head coach taking over the head coach role.

And Easter should give back the salary he's been collecting as Defence Coach

I'm more worried about our attack than defence Geordie, there are 3 or 4 teams with worse tries conceded than us which admittedly is no reason to celebrate. However no-one has a worse trying scoring record than us, yet our attack coach is the new head coach. Figure that one out.

That's not to say I'm not worried about our defence also, and would say the same if Easter became head coach.

Your right about the attack...and one of my concerns is that Walder was responsible for the attack.

SF above is right...give him a season to see if he xan make it work..if not move on. Hopefully the defence will have a bit more fight and steel about it.

Yes, I think you're right. If we give SF a season to see if he can make it work...?! !

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GeordieFalcon
Suffering a red wine hangover...I still ask the question (which ive asked for several years now)..what do the falcons actually do in training?
We HAVE some good players...they look like they've never trained together and have no plan at all...

I only pray this has been down to Dean and not to Walder the current head coach taking over the head coach role.

And Easter should give back the salary he's been collecting as Defence Coach

I'm more worried about our attack than defence Geordie, there are 3 or 4 teams with worse tries conceded than us which admittedly is no reason to celebrate. However no-one has a worse trying scoring record than us, yet our attack coach is the new head coach. Figure that one out.

That's not to say I'm not worried about our defence also, and would say the same if Easter became head coach.

Your right about the attack...and one of my concerns is that Walder was responsible for the attack.

SF above is right...give him a season to see if he xan make it work..if not move on. Hopefully the defence will have a bit more fight and steel about it.

Here's hoping. Thing is at the beginning of this season I think it's fair to say the vast majority of supporters felt we had the strongest squad we have had for ages yet the table doesn't lie. Results wise a huge letdown. Let's hope he can indeed make it work.