News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game


Copyright Linda Dawson
By COYSDC
October 10 2011

Northampton Saints today issued the following statement from club chairman Leon Barwell regarding the switch of January's Heineken Cup game against Munster to stadiumMK.

News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: ComeOnYouSaints.com (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2011 22:12

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: white lion (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 07:17

Well, there you have it. The situation couldn't be clearer. So why do I feel strangely uneasy?

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: St Marlowe (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 07:42

Well, on the post below with a rumour - after initial posting, following posts 1 every 3-10 minutes.

On a clarification from the Chairman
No reply for 9 hours after 311 views, then first is negative.

Make your own conclusions ladies and gentlemen, as to the news people want to see.

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: lilyg (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 07:47

Agree WHite Lion - it was this bit that did it for me

"However we believe that by going to stadiumMK – and retaining the venue as a possible alternative for us in years to come....."

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: St Francis (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 07:54

An alternative for the big matches. Like last season. Jeez.

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: St Marlowe (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 07:58

So in 2 or 3 years we have a 15k ground

We draw Munster in a QF
How many season ticket holders will you deny seats at FG?

All (successful) major clubs have an alternative, larger ground for 1 offs.

I detect a lot of people are nervous about preparations for success. - and rest assured ASDA will not happen!

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Jazzman (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 08:11

Precis of a conversation in 'C' Block on Saturday:-

A neighbour, 'Are you going to MK?'

Me, 'Yes, aren't you?'

Neighbour,'No way, we have been treated disgracefully and apparently it is a breach of contract and a solicitor is looking into it!'

Me, 'Some folks should get a life the reasons Saints are going are...(as per LB and what St Marlowe said)

Neighbour,' Mind you if my mate can get a disabled parking spot, I'll go with him so save the £4 coach fare!'

I then asked if anyone had a razor so I could slit my wrists.

As an afterthought, what exactly did the folks wandering round with the 'Say no to MK' bits of paper hope to achieve?

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: smurfomatic (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 08:26

I saw the "No to MK" signs, I think the only response I heard was chuckling...

This statement should clear up all the loose ends, but there will always be a few conspiracy theorists who think we'll be moving to MK permanently - despite the investment at FG and it's lack of usefulness for anything much, except building housing.

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: bigm/ mark harrison. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 08:36

maybe we should play all games against the tigers at mk....let even more of their supporters come to the game and have a better atmosphere....where does the line get drawn thats the problem.....there will always be two sets of opinions.....for me one of the reasons i choose to support saints is that i still have the option to stand on terracing which for me is an integral part of my enjoyment of the game...milton keynes robs me of this

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 08:38

Didn't see any No to MK signs. Breach of contract and a solicitor looking at it and saving $4 (sorry no pound sign on this damned keyboard) and he would go.


Some will always want to see this as a conspiracy for a future move - and like all good conspiracy theories you cannot disprove them as they will move goal posts, refuse to believe facts etc.

hey ho.

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: ChrisG (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 08:42

Some of us North Bucks locals have been saying no to MK for 40 years.

As for those signs perhaps people got them from the many people who were anti MK last year when the game had to be moved because it was the council's fault, now its the clubs its the best thing since sliced bread.

Personally I'm past caring where it is

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 09:16

Well i liked going to MK last year. I would allways prefere it to be at FG, but as an alternative i thought it was Excelent.

Its almost a guarentee that we will fill the 18K so it makes sense to take the money when its available... If we want to fill the extra 2K we will be building then we need to get as many people through the gates as we can before.

It makes sense for a very popular HK match where demand from locals will far out strip supply....

I just hope that 15K will be enough in future... Although even then i'm sure we would move a QF if we had one (especially if MK get there capacity up to full....

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Eif Jones (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 09:29

It seems extraordinarily expensive to spend £5m or so for just 2k extra seats, wasn't the original plan 4k extra seats for £6m ASDA money.

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: OldPete (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 09:47

I recently posted about treating each other on this board with respect -but frankly the posturing of some people over this matter is beginning to try even my patience.

There is a bigger picture than pandering to the emotional satisfaction of the FG at all costs ( or any cost ) faction.

That is the future financial independence of the club -it is imho absolutely vital to secure that in these very difficult times.

So long as decisions about moving games to MK are taken pragmatically - that is cases considered on their merits then i will put up with personal inconveniences.

If it becomes a habit then i may have a different view -but so far we are looking at one game

Oh and lets pack the place out with Saints fans.

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Bob Stainsby (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 10:11

Once again what Pete said.
Question to all who would you rank as one of if not the most successful HEC teams?

I would pick Toulouse who regularly move games to a much bigger footie stadium (bit of concrete pile but bigger) that makes Stadium MK look like a palace ditto Biaritz who not only move stadia but cross national borders!
Don't get me wrong like many on here I love FG but all business's must move forward and be profitable. Can't say I agree in any way with the methods being used at Sarfies but I admire them for trying.
Those that want to go to MK will, them as don't errr! well don't. can we move on now please

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: St Francis (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 10:18

The signs were on A4 sized green card, printed in black. A lady in Tetley's A block jumped up and waved hers about whenever she thought the cameras might be pointing at her. There is certainly a depth of feeling about this, I think primarily amongst those who can walk to the Gardens. But some seem to be quite easily outraged.

For me, I love match day at the Gardens and on retirement intend to move from Surrey to somewhere much closer to the ground. But at no point could I see myself complaining about a perfectly logical and businesslike decision such as moving a match to a larger alternative ground.

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Rich. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 10:20

Out of interest - I'm sure the decision has been taken in the best interests of the club but what extra money will the club actually gain from this move? 5K more seats at say £25 a seat = £125,000 but how much will it cost to hire MK? PLus there are bound to be extra costs due to having the game there + loss of bar receipts etc. I guess they will be able to sell more corporate packages and it does mean more Saints fans being able to go but how big an earner is is really for the club?

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 10:37

It is much more than that I suspect Rich.

The extra seats - 13,600 to 22,000 is a jump of 8,400 for a start.

Then there are all the tickets for non season ticket holders - well they will all be premium as there is no standing - so a sly uplift there as well.

There is more premium seating at MK compared to the Gardens (bigger stands on both sides) so another uplift there as well.

So I suspect the total uplift is at least double what you have. Then there will be more programs etc to be sold.

I am sure the deal on the hire is a good one - given the revenues that Stadium MK get from the beer etc and that the staffing costs are relatively low compared to football.

So all in all I suspect somewhere in the region of £200k after costs is what is being targeted. It may be a little lower or higher depending on the deals etc.

Now when you compare that with the profits we earn it is a big slug.

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Gwendoline (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 10:57

I was very pleased to see that the Chairman was going to take the views of folk on board and consult supporters. (If the CEO had done that in the first place much of this pain would have been avoided).

I recommend it is done electronically and let any season ticket holder -or other supporter - give their views. Not just those who attended MK.

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Rich. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 11:07

Cheers for that Tim _ well £200,000 can't be sniffed at if that it has it pans out

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: MoANjAm (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 11:57

Can we agree to differ and move on now please?

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Guildford Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 13:15

what is the point of going over the same ground again, and again, and again, and again... It is being done to make more money for the club in order to ensure the future financial health of the club. If you can't be bothered to get a £4 bus and take a little extra time and effort to get to a game then that says a lot about you as a supporter. You should feel lucky that you even get to go.

This issue has been blown up out of nothing and it feels like an argument with my Girlfriend - stop shouting, calm down and think about what that extra money can do in respect of payment towards the expansion (Sm164)(Sm164)(Sm164)

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 13:44

My sentiments exactly Guildford Saint! Spot on!

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: losman321 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 14:10

At the game on Sat Iwas listening to a couple of old guys in front of me.conversation went like this=
FIRST GUY ,I WONT BE GOING AS I CAN WALK HERE .AND REFUSE TO PAY £4 FOR A BUS TICKET.
SECOND GUY, CANT SEE WHY WE SHOULD PAY FOR SOMETHIMG WE ALREADY HAVE LOCALLY ANYWAY#

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Pyffy (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 14:13

My only real concern is, should we qualify for the semi final, could we still use Stadium MK as the venue, as surely it would now qualify as a non neutral venue as we have used it for a non enforced home game?

If not what would the alternative be? The ricoh? (Sm147)

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Saint Liz (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 14:24

I really enjoyed last season's games against Ulster and whilst I wouldn't be so happy if regular games were played there during the season (such as the rumours about the Tigs game), I'm quite happy to drive there for a HK pool match such as the Muster game and other big games like that. We can get more fans in, it means I can bring my whole family and friends that otherwise don't get to watch Saints due to work commitments etc. If we want to get bigger and better we must be open to more opportunities such as this (guilty as charged here, I've needed to do a bit of calming down and thinking about this as well). For me a quick drive down 4 junctions of the M1 from 18-14 is hardly going to kill me and with the changes that have been made. I now should be able to sit with my friends and family all together. Should we really be begrudging and extra couple of thosands fans places to see this game when perhaps for many reasons, they do not and are not able to see Saints as regularly as they would like. There may be teething problems yes but the club have shown themselves willing to help where they can and should be supported.

Oh and if anyone has any travelling issues around the NN6 area and needs a solutions, me and the family would be more than happy to try and help. We've got some seats spare in our car(s) for the journey at present.

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Rich. (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 15:09

Should be OK Pyffy - Cardiff the other year played Glaws in Pool stages at Millenium and then played Toulouse there in QF and Leicetser there in Semi. But Saints really are too big for a semi to be at MK I'd say (assuming an opposition with a decent following)

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 15:53

I have just purchase 21 additional tickets for this game (between three season ticket holders) The average price quoted by Rich is probably a fair bit off the mark.

I suspect the advantage to the club will be in excess of my previous estimate, if sold out, even after all costs included.

It is certainly not to be sniffed at.

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: tedge (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 17:53

Should help pay for next season's marquee player - wonder if we could entice Mr Pocock

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: oddshapedballs (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2011 23:32

I wonder what an analysis of post codes of season ticket holders would show?

I wonder if we could have an inflatable Franklins Gardens - 12,500 when Exeter come calling. Season tickets only for Newcastle. 30,000 for Tigers and other well-supported travellers. 50,000 for really big matches - Munster or Leinster in HEC quarters.

I wonder how we attract new supporters to watch the club whaen all the must-see games are only on premium tv channels and tickets are like hens' teeth hidden under the rocking horse poo in the corner of the round room.

In a world where 'adapt to survive' came to represent evolution let us just think about the dinosaurs who couldn't. In a couple of hundred millions of years will your fossils be excavated from the alluvial deposits of a river once known as the Nene. (Heaven knows what it'll be in Chinese).

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: Saint Dom in Hanoi (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2011 08:40

Well, I'm looking forward to Saints vs Munster in MK. We must fill the ground and we must win.

Keep the commonsense coming, OSB!

Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: John Rickerd (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2011 10:36

His interview with Radio Northampton, I presume

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Re: News: Leon Barwell Statement re MK Game
Posted by: SaintsDuncan (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2011 20:19

Quote:
Saint Liz
Oh and if anyone has any travelling issues around the NN6 area and needs a solutions, me and the family would be more than happy to try and help. We've got some seats spare in our car(s) for the journey at present.

If you wouldn't mind swinging by the RG area... winking smiley

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