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By my reckoning, the "confirmed" list would be:

IN

Sam Dickinson (lock/back row)
Gerrit Jan Van Velze (back row)
Luther Burrell (centre)
Cameron Shepherd (full back/wing)

OUT

Chris Ashton
Jon Clarke
Stu Commins
James Downey
Andy Long
Greig Tonks
Roger Wilson
Glynne Hughes
James Ingle
Cesar Sempere Padilla
Ben Prescott

David L

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- Live wrong and preposterously



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When were the departures of Ingle, Glynn & Sempere confirmed and where are they going?

A new deal for Glynn was announced on 23rd Feb. Has something changed?

Do players that have left the Academy and been promoted to the senior squad count as IN`s ? Not sure who they are.

Irish do a superb one of these every season - will go have a trawl see if its up yet

Are you sure you don't mean Glyn Hughes, St M? Unlike Ryan Glynn there has been no signing announcement for him, and he posted a promotional video on youtube a couple of months back.

As others have said, can you clarify where you've heard the Ingle and Glyn news please David?

Hopefully you mean they are OUT as they've gone on loan to someone as those two are the Saintsmen of the future. Will be very disappointed if they have permanently left the club.

At the awards lat night. I was pretty certain over Glynn but I may have the wrong one. They are OUT. GONE

David L

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- Live wrong and preposterously



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Apologies to Ryan
S/be Glynne Hughea who.has ledt

David L

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- Live wrong and preposterously

If his twitter feed reads right Charlie Sadler is going too

Kenneth,

Jingles convo with Sanderson on Twittersuggests that he has nowhere to go as yet.

Were not re-signing Ingle? We have one genuine 8 in the sqaud, coming in from abroad.

what wrong with this picture?

Maybe with have another signing at 8 in the pipeline? Maybe we see a future at 8 for Harrison?

Have to sit tight and wait and see.

I can see us bringing in another centre, a winger/utility back and possibly another back-row.

must admit, i'm disappointed that Glyn Hughes hasn't made the cut .

hopefully he'll catch on elsewhere and make it in the end.

Broonie, whats the point in having an academy? why shouldn't we just poach players instead?

So long as this year's long term injured make a full recovery (including Warr as a potential 8) I can't see that we need any more forwards to those already announced? However I reckon we need two more centres (in addition to Burrell) as I doubt that Tom Stephenson will be "ready" for next season. The strange one is wing where we have 6 who had first team action this year and all of whom had occasional good games (plus quick youngsters in the pipeline) - but I feel we still need a little (or preferably big) extra component.

5 players from the academy have been given full contracts for next season.

There's no point in keeping someone who isn't going to make. They've got to be exceptional to make the cut. It's very hard.

Obviously the Saints should play a role in helping them with their next step.

stephenson's not far off being viable physically; he's already destructive at wandies level.

however, half a season with coventry and half a season in the championship with steady game time might be in order.

i saw sam harry was in the squad at the Bury st Edmunds 7s , so that might make 2 academy 8 men (with warr). height seems to be an issue at eight in english rugby generally. perhaps it's the skill-set and the taller ones just get lumped into the row or 6? jingle's a good player, but at 6'1" he would need to have an absolutely massive physique plus speed before he made the top rank as an eight.

i have a feeling that they are going to try and finesse the situation at 8, with van velze, dickinson, big sam, dows , woody all being in the mix plus teimana depending on how big he gets.

i really sense that what cap we have left is destined for the backs.

interesting take by Thrupp on the wing situation - it does look like putting a lot of names in a hat , throwing them up in the air , then having a look at where the chips fall.

What would happen to myler/lamb if we sign another 10 from southern hemisphere?

And we may be interested in the brother of george pisi!!!

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i saw sam harry was in the squad at the Bury st Edmunds 7s , so that might make 2 academy 8 men (with warr). height seems to be an issue at eight in english rugby generally. perhaps it's the skill-set and the taller ones just get lumped into the row or 6? jingle's a good player, but at 6'1" he would need to have an absolutely massive physique plus speed before he made the top rank as an eight.
i have a feeling that they are going to try and finesse the situation at 8, with van velze, dickinson, big sam, dows , woody all being in the mix plus teimana depending on how big he gets.

Just out of interest, why would 6ft 1" be too small for a Number 8, after all, the departing RW is only and inch taller and he has been one of the standout performers imho?

Anders Mogensen can't be far off. I always seem to hear good things of him.

Has any Prem club announced marquee players yet?

I can only assume that Richie Gray is Sale's marquee signing?

Other than that, as far as I know nobody has signed anyone significantly big enough to be considered a marquee signing.

Of course Tigers and Sarries may simple be promoting their highest earner to the marquee slot, much as I assume we are?

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Of course Tigers and Sarries may simple be promoting their highest earner to the marquee slot, much as I assume we are?

In a conversation on TV this is what Jim said they would do promote from within

I think he said they "could" do, not would do. Pokerface Mallinder would never give such a straight answer! Haha.

Unless we are thinking of different interviews?

Brushie, i'm constantly confused by people who describe roger as a journeyman.

i'd reckon that in terms of skills, talent, game sense , physique,application and grit , indeed almost anything except height, he is exceptional. had he been 6'4" or 6'5" , i'd reckon he would have 30 or 40 caps by now.

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Broonie
Brushie, i'm constantly confused by people who describe roger as a journeyman.
i'd reckon that in terms of skills, talent, game sense , physique,application and grit , indeed almost anything except height, he is exceptional. had he been 6'4" or 6'5" , i'd reckon he would have 30 or 40 caps by now.

I wouldn't argue with that at all Broonie! Of all those leaving, I feel RW will be the hardest to replace. Irrespective of his size (or lack of in terms of height), had RW been English, he'd surely have more than given the likes of Nick Easter a run for his money, but maybe I'm a tad biased.

Give me a 6ft 1"/ 6ft 2" dynamo over a laboured 6ft 4"+ head down sort any day of the week.

I've not seen Warr play, but I have seen Sam Harry play a few times. He is a tenacious terrier in the mould of RW, but I guess theres a world of difference between Academy & first team.

Erm.. has no-one seen the Wasps incoming list ? or Sales ?
Exeter have added an Aussie capped lock too..

Wasps: Stephen Jones (Llanelli Scarlets), Ashley Johnson (Cheetahs), Phil Swainston (Leeds), Tom Palmer and Will Taylor (Ospreys), James Haskell, Lee Thomas

Sale: Cipriani, Collins, Gray, Lewis Roberts

Bath: Webber, Day

Gloucester: 12trees, Edmonds, Morgan

Newcastle: Adam Balding

Tiggers: Benjamin

Sarries: Ashton and another saffer lock

Irish: Skivington, Aulika, Smith, Lawson

Wuss: Hodgson, Lemi, Andress, Walker

Northampton: Dickinson, Van Velze and Burrell

There's a comment on the Saints Twitter or Facebook about a contract announcement tomorrow.

Let the wild speculation begin!

Well...continue

It is a coaching contract announcement.

St Tub are you expecting a Premiership wide thread?
Not something I have the time for.

David L

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- Live wrong and preposterously



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I think Tub is trying to raise the point that were behind the 8 ball and are missing a "Fetcher/ Carrier" of the contractual variety....

I tend to agree with him when you look at some of the players who have signed for other clubs who its been pretty well know we have coveted in the past. Mr 12trees sticking in my throat as you might imagine.

Yes but contributors here have been saying that ever since the news of Roger's departure broke. Jim is clearly not reading out posts, (apparently)

David L

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- Live wrong and preposterously

I couldn't give a tinkers cuss if Jim takes on board what I or others have to say, I'd be annoyed that he's wasting his time looking at it anyway.

As noted recently, it's one mans opinion and its an opinion that has no effect on the grand scheme of things. Were not seen as supporters any more, just customers all labeled as 'fans'.

Back on point,
As I pointed out recently too recruitment doesn't happen overnight and most of the posters here are old enough to remember the bad old days. Finding someone to replace Dimes is just as likely to take as long as it is to replace Jimmy and Roger.

The market moves at an incredible pace, players, as we have seen this season are given little or no time to settle into a side by not only the supporters, more than willing to write them off as a dismal failure as the coaching staff seem to be.

People are fallible. Last summer we recruited short and long term and some players have worked, others not, others thrown out with the baby's bath water. Next thing you know the club are releasing a guy who has had a handful of games in the wanderers, 7 minutes in the 1st team and barely an eye cast upon him in training.

We cant afford to be employing lads to be tackling dummies and then release them 2 years later, bringing in fresh ones.
It was myopic when Solomons did it, when Grayse and Sloane did it and it still is.

Maybe just stick the premiership wide list at the top David and let anyone add to it ? (can you do that?)

Like I said, someone at Irish normally does a huge organogram type of thing thats brilliant - its not up yet though - will try and find last times

Found it !! Now if anyone has a spare week...

2010 Transfers Diagram

Or a more sedate summary from last season

Rugby Forum

Tigers one is good enough for me

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Shouldn't our academy promotions count as players in?

I thought we had issues till you look at Irish..

Cripes !

to be fair, smith has only recently been installed at LI and is in the process of drastic refurbishment

expect a load of gritty kolpaks .

what they're losing is mostly past it, disaffected, never made it , or problem players.

if there's one thing smith has , it's a lot of contacts

speaking of LI, i see that marcus watson is leaving sorries (destination unknown); i think he is the very talented winger who is younger bro of a very talented LI winger. wouldn't say no if he came our way.

Alex Cuthbert has announced a one year extension with Cardiff Blues. Another that got away or another barmy rumour put to rest?


FHS.

Perhaps signings have been made yet to be announced but that won't stop the wailing and gnashing of teeth that we're doomed, will it? But then again Jims probably just overlooked the the problem, unlike some of of us and when 14 men take the field in September he'll exclaim "oh sugar I forgot a No8"

Downsizing to be expected across the board I guess, as a result of the world cup player allowances being removed for next year

the rumours we've heard so far in the backs are all multi-positional

Bolakoro - centre/wing
Shepherd - back three
Ken Pisi - centre/wing

Luther Burrell is also able to play either centre spot, though he seems to think he's doing 12.

Dickinson is also a utility back five player, though i think Van Velze may be a specialist .

more to the point, having not heard at all about any experienced 12s, i am more inclined to think George may move inside , especially if it creates room for his brother? with his skill set and physicality he should easily manage it, but i worry he'd be too brave for his own good.

actually, when you consider Digger (back 3), Scott Armstrong (centre/wing) , Vas (back 3), Noah (back 3), Jamie Elliott (centre/wing) and the two youngsters Mogenson (back 3) and Collins (everywhere) there's a lot of cover built in.

plus of course , Lardy assures us that Ben can play wing or 13

Other thing to remember is we have a ton of cash tied up in the back 5.. I imagine we will want to field as much as we can rather than have it playing Wandies on a Monday

Lawes / Manoa / Day / Sorrenson

Craig / Clarke / Dowson / Wood / Dickinson / Van Velze / Nutely / Harrison

12 into 5 "don't go"

Brownie know where you're going with too brave but George at 12 possibly loses something in terms of bashing up and head on tackling but not loads. bUT the gains in quick feet, offload and a kicking game are mouthwatering IMHO

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Dryathlon

Glyn Hughes has signed one year contract at Moseley.

good for him; i reckon we shall hear more of glyn and he's certainly very highly rated at mose.

if he gets an injury free season, look for him in next year's dream team.he will also be with some saints colleagues, as mose is our championship Dual Registration partner.

I see that Jim in todays Chron is whetting our appetite with the news that we are about to 'bolster the squad'.

A couple of established players (am assuming that these won't be affected by international matches) to be announced over the next two to three weeks with some others.

Well that was my interpretation of it!

As the site earns a few pennies for articles and nowt from the messageboard, I've turned this popular thread into a "story"...

Must confess I’m shocked that we’ve allowed Hughes to leave FG. Know he has suffered more than his fair share of injuries but by all accounts he did really well at Moseley whilst DR’d last season. Indeed the local press believe they have pulled off something of a major coup describing him as one of the “finds of the Championship” season.

I’ve been a keen watcher of the Academy over the past few years and he was regularly the stand out performer in a side containing a number of whom who have already impressed in the first team. I hope we’ve kept some sort of retainer on him as I fully expect him to flourish in the Championship.

Also disappointing if it’s true that Sadler and Ingle are also going but not as surprised really as neither featured much in the Wandies nor turned up many trees whilst Dual Registered.Anyone know where those two are heading? Good luck to them all though.

From Twitter a few days ago:

Glyn Hughes ‏@Glyn_Hughes

Great two years at saints, invaluable experience. Sad to be leaving the gardens, for now anyway. Can't wait to start next season at moseley!

My emphasis; also

Glyn Hughes ‏@Glyn_Hughes

@SeanFlatman was my choice mate. Let's just say its the right call for me at the moment

Lets be realistic here Jim will continue to alternates between Myler and Lamb next season as both are on long term deals.

A season of meaningless occasional A league games and a short term DR agreement or first choice and playing regular Championship rugby? No brainer really if he wants to progress in the game. Good luck to the boy, I hope he does well and when he does we buy him back in!

Thanks Clegthorpe, really should do my homework before I sound off about things. If we have some sort of "retainer" that's ideal I suppose.See how he develops at Billesley.

Ingle is signing for Loughborough whilst finishing his degree apparently. I read it on Twitter a few weeks ago.

I suspect Hughes is on better money signing for Moseley than he would be signing for Saints and playing for Moseley. Twelvetrees did the same at Bedford a couple or so years ago and then re-signed for Leicester.

the main thing about the money is it's off saints' salary cap.

Twelvetrees may have appeared to leave tigers and join bedford, but at that time (before bedford jumped into bed with saracens) the Leicester coaches (academy and other) were very frequent attenders indeed at bedford training and matches , keeping their eyes on a whole brood of their academy and ex-academy players

when saracens arrived, they moved on to nottingham.

i was puzzled by hughes' disappearance , but it looks like he and the coaches have found a very sensible way forward.

we have Will Hooley entering the academy this year as well as Sam Olver the following season, both of whom are at the top of their england age group rankings as fly halves and they will need game time for wandies and u19s , while Lamb and and Myler will normally fill the match day berths.

both the younger ones are natural fly halves ,with more eminent pedigrees than glyn had when he arrived, but glyn is also a natural fly half , albeit from a bit of a backwater , and is a classic overachiever who just keeps performing to higher levels every time the ante is upped.

we are entering a phase in which the academy itself is set on a course of continual improvement.

Twitter: chron man Ashley Potter has heard rumour of the signing of a big NZ 13; is this the old Conrad Smith rumour or something new?

Something new I think - expect announcement soon

David L

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- Live wrong and preposterously

Oohh... No spoilers please! Keep the excitement ramped up!!!

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Rubadubdub; remember Seb Tubb?
Oohh... No spoilers please! Keep the excitement ramped up!!!

I'm not sure whether the thread currently on the Offy forum counts as a spoiler, since it seems to be based on nothing more than Ashpott's tweet and a large amount of speculation, but the video attached to it is definately exciting.

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Something new I think - expect announcement soon

Embargoed old bean?

No - Just something I heard

Now the Chron is weeky I dont think we'll be seeing any more "embargoed until 6 am or whenever the Chron can start its steam presses"

David L

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- Live wrong and preposterously

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Rubadubdub; remember Seb Tubb?
Oohh... No spoilers please! Keep the excitement ramped up!!!

I'm not sure whether the thread currently on the Offy forum counts as a spoiler, since it seems to be based on nothing more than Ashpott's tweet and a large amount of speculation, but the video attached to it is definately exciting.

Oh great. Now I've got my hopes up again.

When will I learn?!?

video: [url][/url]

David L

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- Live wrong and preposterously

Crikey!

Gorgeous George and Smyler in a battle for the 12 shirt?

Fruean's the next big thing to come out of NZ which means he'll probably be tied to a lengthy NZRU contract already whether he's made the All Blacks squad or not (which he hasn't yet). I don't see him going anywhere too soon.

Be good but I can't see it really happening, obviously be very happy to be proved wrong.

I'm more inclined to think that it'll be either Pat Lam or Smudger helping us out, so think of second fives from either the Chiefs or the Blues. Maybe Richard Kahui? He'd be a solid hitting 12...

Or maybe someone who was cast out of their old side, attempted to extend their career, but things just aren't going well at their new team. Ma'a Nonu perhaps?

Looks like there's another signing to be announced tomorrow, care of [twitter.com]

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Looks like there's another signing to be announced tomorrow, care of [twitter.com]

How lovely.

We've got nowt on the email, why (how) would the Chronic get info before COYSDC?

Orff to bed...

I'll get quite cross if they have been given an exclusive now they are a weekly.

(I believe there will be an announcement tomorrow)

David L

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7:03 am and nothing (as far as I can see) on the Chron site... If our eds had it, we'd have been told by now!!

Nothing in my inbox. Embargoed releases typically arrive mid afternoon the day before they can be published.



“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Benjamin Franklin

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The Chron is saying we are on the verge of signing Ken Pisi.

But as it is not yet certain it is quite a mall piece - dwarfed by Dylan's guilt at missing end od of season run in

David L

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A further post from the same guy says

"it's not what you'd call a 'marquee signing', but I think the Saints fans will be pleased..."

is young Ken Pisi the 5.20 from Paddington in disguise?

the announcement of his arrival appears to have been delayed by adverse weather conditions

just hope air George isn't waiting at the station without an umbrella...

still, you can always rely on the Chron - just not always in quite the way you thought.

Ken Pisi , first discovered by COYS.COM - never knowingly scooped...

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Ken Pisi, first discovered by COYS.COM - never knowingly scooped...

Nice one, Mr B!

Presumably if we now sign the "right" Pisi Eif will express his delight ?

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David L

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- Live wrong and preposterously

I suspect Eif will think it is a conspiracy to sign all the wrong Pisi's and continue his lonely vigil to explain to all and sundry why he should be director of rugby.

I understand this might have legs as he needed to be a capped international to get the work permit.



“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Benjamin Franklin

Tetleys Block F E143

Did anyone see the article in the Rugby Paper on sunday?

Page 3, a chat with George Pisi whose effectively selling his younger brother, Ken. It would seem he's got a bit of gas and the Rugby Paper does hint that he's signed for us!

I take it that we're building a Pisi-dynasty!

I watched some of the 7s highlights on u-tube. There is no doubt the Ken is a flyer. Although I didn't see much to suggest a lot of guile or that he would be a good centre. Looks more of a prospect for the wing to me.

Official announcement now on the Offy!

Looks very useful - wonder if that's it or is there more to come ?

I was just attempting to put some "like for like" in and outs up against eachother to see if there may be any other signings. Ok I realise that some are more versatile than others and can fill a range of positions but here goes (and these were really just the first team squad from last year)

Wilson - Van Velze
Downey - Burrell
Ashton - Pisi
Clarke - ??
Tonks - Shepherd

Dickinson may be able to fill second or back row (useful addition after Eustace had to retire ?)

So still one big signing to come to fill the 13 spot vacated by Clarke (back-up or challenge to George Pisi ?)

I still think we need a "class" 12.

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I still think we need a "class" 12.

Tom Vickers of the chron has stated that he understands that saints are still in the market for a 12.

If we don't we are doomed. We cannot progress with the squad as it stands. We need a leader of absolute quality in that back line.

Just sticking the Offy link to the Waldouck signing on this thread for completeness...


Waldouck signs (Offy)

Sam Dickinson had surgery on his left arm a few weeks ago, and is taking some time to recover, so I dont know if he'll be available from the start of the season. Apparently he's been training hard over the summer and is down to 104kg from 116, I dont know if this will impact his physicality at all....

Hi rotherham, thanks for the info. I would imagine Sam will be playing in the wanderers at the start of the season unless we suffure a run of injuries so hopefully he will be eased in gently.

Yes, thanks for the info.

104kg isn't far of the published weights on most of our back row forwards, aside from Manoa though i suspect his quoted weight of 122kg is from when he joined last season.

I don't think he's been around for pre-season yet. Hopefully he won't take too long to recover.

You can't always get what you want, But if you try sometimes well you might find, You get what you need.

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Is Sam Farmer still with you?

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rotherhamtillidie
Is Sam Farmer still with you?

He's not listed on either of the squad pages on the Offy. Have you heard something?

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rotherhamtillidie
Is Sam Farmer still with you?

He's not listed on either of the squad pages on the Offy. Have you heard something?

Heard he might have signed for a championship club, or have a trial with them. nothing more than that.