NEWS: Saints vs Tigers at Twickenham in aid of Rob Horne

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What a great way to support Rob and his family. Count me in.

C. O. Y. S. !!



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Well done Saints superb idea count me/us in too!

Great idea and I will certainly be there to support such an incredible bloke after such an horrific ordeal.

I also know that Tigs fans will really step up, which isn’t surprising considering they know all too well the dangers of rugby through their own Matt Hampson.

On a side note, any doctors know about recovery from this injury? Is their any chance of nerve replacement/ reconstruction? Would be nice even if Rob and his family had a glimmer of hope?

Great gesture by Saints

I'm not sure the local residents will love having two rugby matches on the same day though, with Quins playing Sarries at 7.30pm.

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score? - Vince Lombardi

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Good idea imo.

I've got popcorn at the ready - I'm sure there will be some people incensed by this, even given the good cause.

Good on the club and on Tigs too.

Good cause, no problem other than the other game just down the road !

Great news that we can all support Rob and his family in the best possible way - by enjoying a great match at a great venue. I shall be there - and now I have to encourage my Tiggers-supporting brother to come along as well!

Thank you Saints, the best way to honour Rob for the way in which he always put his body on the line for our entertainment. Great day out in prospect. A true saintsman.

I've moaned like anything about moving games in the past, but I've nothing but praise for this decision. It's well worth sacrificing a "home" game to do the right thing by Rob. I look forward to being there.

As a Sale fan. Well done to Saints & Tigers for agreeing this. Hopefully the game gets a big turnout to support Rob through his ongoing care & rehabilitation.

This should make for a great day out and a good way of raising funds for Rob and his family to support his rehab

Also, I'll give another credit to the club for being refreshingly honest about how they also benefit from this

Great idea by Saints and thanks to Tigers for support. Never been supportive in the past for playing home games away but I’m all for this and will be there to support. Touching interview with Rob.

Fantastic idea, well done Saints!

Just watched the interview with Rob on the Offy, a pretty tough and emotional watch it has to be said.

Glad to see it's positive on here!

Clever move this by Saints, an expansion of crowd and fan base without all the usual moaners being able to say anything as it’s for such a good cause! Fantastic by dAarbon and such a fitting tribute to Rob Horne well done all involved

couple of bizarre comments on the facebook threads including a 'bye' from a Saints 'Supporter' who doesn't agree with it. Apart from that a fittingly positive response from nearly all for a fantastic cause. Well done Saints.

And to answer St Gone.. I had it on reasonably good authority that there wasn't much to be done surgically due to the extent of the injury. That said with how things move on so quickly these days never say never.

Hmmm a lot of money to be made by Saints with a small proportion given to the player.

Plus (separately) more to be raised by other fundraising contributions by the supporters.

Read between the lines folks.

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Hmmm a lot of money to be made by Saints with a small proportion given to the player.
Plus (separately) more to be raised by other fundraising contributions by the supporters.

Read between the lines folks.

How do you know how much Saints are giving to the player? How much is a "small proportion"?

More fund raising is indeed the objective. Why wouldn't it be? This is a testimonial match for Rob!

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Hmmm a lot of money to be made by Saints with a small proportion given to the player.
Plus (separately) more to be raised by other fundraising contributions by the supporters.

Read between the lines folks.

How do you know how much Saints are giving to the player? How much is a "small proportion"?

More fund raising is indeed the objective. Why wouldn't it be? This is a testimonial match for Rob!

And does it matter? However big or small the % given to Rob is, it’s likely to be more money than if it we say at the Gardens or MK. This to me doesn’t smack of commercialism in any way shape or form.. or you could live in a life full of cynasim I guess.

For me not being in the Shire it’s actually really inconvenient but I do think it is a wonderful idea and I will make the effort to go as it is for Rob. Is there a just giving page to go along with this they can advertise as well?

Huge respect for our club and also Tigers and above all their fans. Yet another overwhelming reason why rugby excels over football and all of their Princess Neymar histrionics and lack of respect for the chosen game and officials. No other sport would come together like this. Makes me feel proud and humble to be a rugby man through and through.

Well done,

A great gesture, I found watching his interview quite moving, I really feel so sorry for the young man and his family.

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Hmmm a lot of money to be made by Saints with a small proportion given to the player.
Plus (separately) more to be raised by other fundraising contributions by the supporters.

Read between the lines folks.

How do you know how much Saints are giving to the player? How much is a "small proportion"?

More fund raising is indeed the objective. Why wouldn't it be? This is a testimonial match for Rob!

And does it matter? However big or small the % given to Rob is, it’s likely to be more money than if it we say at the Gardens or MK. This to me doesn’t smack of commercialism in any way shape or form.. or you could live in a life full of cynasim I guess.

"Philanthropy is the new marketing"


Whilst the injury to Mr Horne is downright tragic & I, like everyone, wish him a speedy recovery he will have had an insurance pay out after having to retire. Whether this is going to be enough to cover the costs needed to help him through the rest of his life is unlikely & until recovery occurs, or to a decent standard of living can be attained, Mr Horne will be unable to work or support himself & his family. The amount of money needed to support himself though recovery can be debated but it will almost certainly not be cheap & take a moment to realise how expensive it will be just to make his home accessible. The Australian health care system is as difficult a mine field as the American one & quite frankly what kind of club would be if weren't willing to help one of our own & a man who was being lined up as club captain this season?

When some players are struggling with injury & their career is in jeopardy clubs have been willing to extend their contracts to look after them & help the recover. They've also been willing to ensure they stayed under contract for 6 months to a year in order to ensure they receive the insurance pay-out. This, frankly isn't really any different, but it's on a much wider scale. If you're against this, god only knows why, then you've likely never played the game at any level & certainly not had a serious injury from rugby. These are the risks many take every weekend, the risks at the highest level of the game are enormous.

Will it stand both clubs in good stead? Yes.
Is this needed with clubs like Bath or Toulon brazenly treating players like pieces of meat? Yes.
Is this the right thing to do? Unequivocally, unless you've abandoned all sense of community & what both Saints & Tigers stand for.

No. You're not derailing this thread.

You know damn well what was going to happen with a comment like that, start another thread on it if you must, whilst you do make a valid point, its one you know is antagonistic amd one which any decent person will overlook in support of a guy whos life has been changed whilst in the GBG, keep it outside of this thread which has been really positive



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No. You're not derailing this thread.
You know damn well what was going to happen with a comment like that, start another thread on it if you must, whilst you do make a valid point, its one you know is antagonistic amd one which any decent person will overlook in support of a guy whos life has been changed whilst in the GBG, keep it outside of this thread which has been really positive

Well said.

(changed who I am quoting based on new information)



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Seconded Eif.

There may be a time and place to debate the commerciality of the day but this isn't it.

Incredibly difficult interview to watch but important to do so, sometimes we forget how much these guys put on the line for our entertainment.

I also 'got something in my eye' reading the tweets and retweets around this from our players and others, it brings home how liked and respected he was as a player and a bloke both in our squad and wider. As he mentions in the interview you never know how much the support means to someone in that position, it must have been hell and there will undoubtedly be much more to go through - if some kinds words on Twitter and something like this to look forward to make a difference then that's a huge bonus quite aside from the money raised.

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Seconded Eif.
There may be a time and place to debate the commerciality of the day but this isn't it.

Incredibly difficult interview to watch but important to do so, sometimes we forget how much these guys put on the line for our entertainment.

I also 'got something in my eye' reading the tweets and retweets around this from our players and others, it brings home how liked and respected he was as a player and a bloke both in our squad and wider. As he mentions in the interview you never know how much the support means to someone in that position, it must have been hell and there will undoubtedly be much more to go through - if some kinds words on Twitter and something like this to look forward to make a difference then that's a huge bonus quite aside from the money raised.

For clarity, I deleted what Eif said and replaced it with that as he was being his usual self and this is not the place for it!

This is a wonderful thing, well done to both clubs



We are getting our soul back

Have my tickets now seems straightforward process

Does anyone know if a % of the tickets sold go to Rob or is it only donations? (As it reads only donations).

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Does anyone know if a % of the tickets sold go to Rob or is it only donations? (As it reads only donations).

From memory, £5 from each season ticket holder who attends.

A fantastic gesture by both clubs, and a game that could draw a huge crowd worthy of the occassion
The Unofficial Brancaster Saints Supporters Club are already making plans for a team day out to HQ, 15+ and counting.
having watched the recent SaintsTV interview the fact that the gy is in constant chronic pain, allied to the paralysis of his rught arm, is truly heartbreaking.
wishing all the best to Rob and his family.
COYS!!!!

Brancastersaint

My son and I saw this in different locations at different times and both started thinking about booking flights for the two of us to come and support.
A great gesture by two great clubs.

I did wonder St Ted!!

Incidentally, I did try and use the reply function but it sent me to the England 7's forum....

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Hmmm a lot of money to be made by Saints with a small proportion given to the player.
Plus (separately) more to be raised by other fundraising contributions by the supporters.

Read between the lines folks.

How do you know how much Saints are giving to the player? How much is a "small proportion"?

More fund raising is indeed the objective. Why wouldn't it be? This is a testimonial match for Rob!

As was quoted in the article and picked up by others £5 per season-ticket holder.

If the club are contributing the majority of the excess made in switching the game to the player then full credit to them and the claim that the game is being switched for him is valid.

But that is not the case from what has been announced so far.

Of course more fund-raising should be the objective but that isn't the point.

As I read it the club will donate £5 on behalf of each season ticket holder so that would be about £45K and then the STH's are invited to donate either £1, £5 or £10 when claiming their tickets. Non STH's and Tigers supporters who elect to purchase tickets will also have the opportunity to make a donation for Rob. There will also be a variety of collections and other fund raising on the day.

It seems reasonable that the club should make some money, at least as much as they would for a match at FG, as they have plenty of match day expenses to cover as the "home" team, such as staffing, free car parking, free coaches etc - all of which have to be paid for. I don't know what the typical earnings are for a home match but the club should not lose out financially. Hopefully the RFU will also recompense them to an extent.

I don't much like Twickenham but I think this is a grand idea and will definitely attend.

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Hmmm a lot of money to be made by Saints with a small proportion given to the player.
Plus (separately) more to be raised by other fundraising contributions by the supporters.

Read between the lines folks.

How do you know how much Saints are giving to the player? How much is a "small proportion"?

More fund raising is indeed the objective. Why wouldn't it be? This is a testimonial match for Rob!

As was quoted in the article and picked up by others £5 per season-ticket holder.

If the club are contributing the majority of the excess made in switching the game to the player then full credit to them and the claim that the game is being switched for him is valid.

But that is not the case from what has been announced so far.

Of course more fund-raising should be the objective but that isn't the point.

Sorry, I’m not quite getting your point, are you suggesting a hidden agenda?

In the full article the club has been completely transparent, they have been offered a sum of money to host the match at Twickenham so it can be tested before the Autumn internationals, that is money desperately needed by the club if we want to compete at the highest level, we simply can’t afford to run at a loss.

In turn this also gives an opportunity to have a testimonial for Rob, with a much bigger attendance than he would have got at the Gardens, so an opportunity to raise more cash for his fund than he would have got had it remained at the Gardens

The £5 donation per season ticket holder would have been a chunk of cash we simply wouldn’t have had if this match wasn’t being moved, let’s say 50,000 go to the game with an average donation of £2 (I suspect both figures will end up higher) plus the donation from saints, that’s going to work out about £140/145k, would that figure have been achieved at the Gardens, I don’t think it would

This is a solution that works out well for the club financially, judging by the comments on Twitter the whole club is behind it, so that’s has to be good for moral and more importantly it has a massive benefit to Rob

Spot on Ted

Watching that video is heart wrenching.
Anything we can do , we should do.
Anyone with a problem with that needs their head examining.

You could see the pain etched on his face in the interview, whether it was physical or emotional is hard to tell, probably both.

5 season ticket holders here going, taking 10 people with us, a mixture of Saints and Tigers, should be a cracking day out for a very worthy cause.

I'm of the opinion if the club were really REALLY spinning this as a type of Philanthropy/marketing you'd see a large amount of exclusive hats, T-Shirts and wrist bands with Mr Horne's name & face all over them. More promotion introduced with other clubs around the premiership, smashing out hashtags and promo videos on instagram and twitter from the star players of those clubs.

Until things like this occur & yes, they might between now and the game, then the idea that this isn't sincere is in bad taste. Again, take some time to investigate how much money Mr Horne & his family are going to need to get through the next few years, home improvements & remodelling alone will quickly eat up that 45 grand.

I'm a little baffled, though not entirely surprised given the way people around the country currently behave online, that someone would question this event. But then again, I'm no angel.

As Mr Ted points out, and it's being missed by some, though yes, it's a point I continue to want to make- Fiscally the club is not in great shape. 2 years ago no one wanted games at MK, myself included, now we're in desperate need of finding ways to make as much coin as humanly possible as quickly as possible. Yes, supporters will be asked again and again to make up the short fall.
Season ticket prices, replica shirt prices, more expensive food & drink, regardless of the quality, all forthcoming.

We live in hope that Mr Boyd's brand of rugby is exciting (and winning) enough to ensure the stands stay full & the club can fight to stay in the black.

In the meantime the focus should remain on helping Mr Horne & his family in any way the club, the supporters & the community can.

I think there should be some kind of special T-shirt produced to commemorate this game with the proceeds going to Rob.

Something simple with both clubs emblems on the front and 13 Horne on the back that will appeal to both sets of fans.

Unlike other inferior sports, Rugby unites us in rivalry rather than dividing us by it.

As i said elsewhere, To keep things simple just sell a bunch of home shirts with Horne and 13 on the back. Give a small percentage to Rob and get selling NOW. Lost of people will want a new shirt this season anyway, and if it got me an extra £5 and helped him out I would jump at the chance.

A special t-shirt for the day is a good idea too but the more ideas the better.

I would not be surprised if there is a unique match shirt produced for this game similar to the 'Help for Heroes' shirt that was used for the one game.

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Hmmm a lot of money to be made by Saints with a small proportion given to the player.
Plus (separately) more to be raised by other fundraising contributions by the supporters.

Read between the lines folks.

How do you know how much Saints are giving to the player? How much is a "small proportion"?

More fund raising is indeed the objective. Why wouldn't it be? This is a testimonial match for Rob!

As was quoted in the article and picked up by others £5 per season-ticket holder.

If the club are contributing the majority of the excess made in switching the game to the player then full credit to them and the claim that the game is being switched for him is valid.

But that is not the case from what has been announced so far.

Of course more fund-raising should be the objective but that isn't the point.

Sorry, I’m not quite getting your point, are you suggesting a hidden agenda?

In the full article the club has been completely transparent, they have been offered a sum of money to host the match at Twickenham so it can be tested before the Autumn internationals, that is money desperately needed by the club if we want to compete at the highest level, we simply can’t afford to run at a loss.

In turn this also gives an opportunity to have a testimonial for Rob, with a much bigger attendance than he would have got at the Gardens, so an opportunity to raise more cash for his fund than he would have got had it remained at the Gardens

The £5 donation per season ticket holder would have been a chunk of cash we simply wouldn’t have had if this match wasn’t being moved, let’s say 50,000 go to the game with an average donation of £2 (I suspect both figures will end up higher) plus the donation from saints, that’s going to work out about £140/145k, would that figure have been achieved at the Gardens, I don’t think it would

This is a solution that works out well for the club financially, judging by the comments on Twitter the whole club is behind it, so that’s has to be good for moral and more importantly it has a massive benefit to Rob

You have actually made my point for me which is the club switched the game to Twickenham because they were paid a lot of money to do it.They did not switch it to raise money for Rob Horne which is what is suggested on the club site and which has been picked up by the media. Now I'm quite happy that money will be made for Rob and good luck to him but to suggest the game has been switched for this purpose is both disingenuous and conveniently deflects most of the criticism the club would have otherwise received for making the switch.

this is over-analysis and inappropriate


who cares why the game is being held there? there are 2 simple facts:-


1. The club needs to maximise revenue because the inflation of wages and stagnant revenue is causing a P&L pinch

2. Any extra money for Rob Horne to help his rehabilitation and future is a good thing



Forget the rest, its just not important.

Actually Samlee, both are true. The club was approached about moving the game for a substantial fee and decided that it was appropriate in order to raise additional money for Rob. Why can't there be multiple winners in all of this?

Exactly, it's a win/win, extra money for the club, which also allows the club to be in a better position to support Rob financially as well as a much wider audience to raise funds.

The club have been completely honest, it's not just for Rob, the financial package that comes with this was too much for them to turn down, I think you're looking for something that doesn't need looking for

Quite right, this is win win. Good for the club and I really hope that a substantial amount is raised for Rob. Seemingly the reaction from supporters has been very positive (as it should be) so hopefully we can help create a really memorable occasion.

In the short to medium term the best way for the club to make more money is to produce a team that is at the very least, seriously competetive both domestically and in Europe. That will start filling the stadium more often bringing much needed revenue - think back to last season, there were plenty of empty seats even at the Tigers game.

With regard to the Twickenham game, I seem to remember that Arsenal gave away free T-shirts for Wengers last game as coach. Something on the same lines, with something similar for our feline friends from across the border, would make a great impact on the day and send a very positive message to Rob and his family and to the wider rugby world. I'm sure some of our sponsors and indeed directors have some spare change..........

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You have actually made my point for me which is the club switched the game to Twickenham because they were paid a lot of money to do it.They did not switch it to raise money for Rob Horne which is what is suggested on the club site and which has been picked up by the media. Now I'm quite happy that money will be made for Rob and good luck to him but to suggest the game has been switched for this purpose is both disingenuous and conveniently deflects most of the criticism the club would have otherwise received for making the switch.

Answer a simple question then...

If you had to choose between

A - playing our season opener against Quins at HQ for the money, and then having a midweek testimonial match for Rob at a half full FG that raises less money for him

OR

B - Playing Tigers at HQ, making it his testimonial game, raising more for him but slightly less for the club


Which would you pick?

The way I see it B is simply a much better solution all round. If you accept that is a better way to do it, then your accusations it is "disingenuous" and "convenient" are without any merit and you should be praising the board instead of slinging mud.

If you would prefer "A" then do please explain WHY that is a better idea?

On the Tigers Message Board someone refers to Northampton as 'Stains' hmmm, I looked at the name LEICESTER and found it was an anagram for ERECTILES!


People in glasshouses really shouldn't throw stones.

We have frequent references to them as Licefester or Thai Girls. Other teams have similar terms but it is, or at least should be, taken in the light hearted way that, hopefully, it is intended.

Can't think why Shush posted that, I suppose he just wants to show how clever he is, I bet he is good when watching Countdown.
On a more positive note Leicester Tigers Away Supporters are already booking to go to Twickenham, we took increased numbers to our Bath away Twickers trips in the last couple of years but many were saying they would not go again, now however they are saying for this one and for this cause they will be there including some who felt they were being priced out at F.G.
Well done Saints, it is a good club who looks after their own.
See you all at Twickenham.

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You have actually made my point for me which is the club switched the game to Twickenham because they were paid a lot of money to do it.They did not switch it to raise money for Rob Horne which is what is suggested on the club site and which has been picked up by the media. Now I'm quite happy that money will be made for Rob and good luck to him but to suggest the game has been switched for this purpose is both disingenuous and conveniently deflects most of the criticism the club would have otherwise received for making the switch.

Answer a simple question then...

If you had to choose between

A - playing our season opener against Quins at HQ for the money, and then having a midweek testimonial match for Rob at a half full FG that raises less money for him

OR

B - Playing Tigers at HQ, making it his testimonial game, raising more for him but slightly less for the club


Which would you pick?

The way I see it B is simply a much better solution all round. If you accept that is a better way to do it, then your accusations it is "disingenuous" and "convenient" are without any merit and you should be praising the board instead of slinging mud.

If you would prefer "A" then do please explain WHY that is a better idea?

It's totally irrelevant and not the point.

The point is about the idea that the main reason the game is being moved is for Rob Horne which is blatantly not true.

As for "slinging mud" I am merely stating my opinion or does every post suggesting the club is less than perfect meet with the same ridiculous response from you?

Mr Horne's facing some serious medical problems & you're playing the troll Mr Samlee.
Ban him, delete his posts and be done with him.

Hopefully we can be more tolerant than the SSC Facebook page - now no more ?

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Hopefully we can be more tolerant than the SSC Facebook page - now no more ?

Really not difficult to be more tolerant than that page

Samlee99,

The club at no point have said that they are moving the game for Rob, they have been honest about why they are moving the game and are using this opportunity to benefit Rob, it’s quite clear in the full article, nothing has been hidden, judging by your comments on this thread and on others, clearly nothing the club does will please you, that’s fine, no problem with you grinding your axe, just don’t do it on a thread that doesn’t warrant it, as has been said above, let’s get behind this, help the club out so we have more money to spend and more importantly get Rob some more cash to aid his recovery and support his young family after his life changing injury turning out for us.



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For those that want the thrill of a local Derby at Franklins Gardens they will of course get the opportunity on
Saturday 26th January in the Gallagher Cup.

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Samlee99,
The club at no point have said that they are moving the game for Rob, they have been honest about why they are moving the game and are using this opportunity to benefit Rob, it’s quite clear in the full article, nothing has been hidden, judging by your comments on this thread and on others, clearly nothing the club does will please you, that’s fine, no problem with you grinding your axe, just don’t do it on a thread that doesn’t warrant it, as has been said above, let’s get behind this, help the club out so we have more money to spend and more importantly get Rob some more cash to aid his recovery and support his young family after his life changing injury turning out for us.

I'm afraid they have and to say that nothing the club does will please me is frankly rather stupid and belittles your argument.

But I certainly hope that the player makes us much money as possible out of it.

I have said my piece and I will say no more. If people don't agree with me then that is fine and if they want to make up things about me to supposedly further their argument then that only strengthens my point.

Just got two return flights to Stansted for €40- each. Only two worries now :-
1. Ryanair strikes although that should be well over by then.
2. I've taken my son to see the saints play four times and they've lost every time (it was his preferred result against Munster to be fair). I think he might be a jinx.

Corkst,
Tell him to support Tigers!

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Corkst,
Tell him to support Tigers!

Might be worth a go - as long as I don't have to buy him a jersey!

Of course Mr Barnes is probably a banker to be reffing *

CEO reflects on what effect Horne's absence had on recruitment

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Corkst,
Tell him to support Tigers!

Might be worth a go - as long as I don't have to buy him a jersey!

Of course Mr Barnes is probably a banker to be reffing *

Please tell me that last sentence wasn’t intended as rhyming slang!