Match Thread - Saints v Ulster - Teams Up

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Great looking team agree Adendorff is unlucky as is Collins but Tuala also deserves the bench spot. Is Api injured? Selection is going to be a real headache when Lawes and particularly Proctor and Furbank are back - who do you drop at the moment?! Great problem to have.

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Longers
I like the team.
Can anyone suggest if they think Coles is viewed as getting ahead of Moon, or just a simple switch?

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Deesaint
The great thing is, whenever a team is posted and it does change week from week there doesn't seem to be a weak link.
I would argue to have Painter and Auterac starting but I'm not disappointed with Waller and Hill.

This will be a good test of the team, without doubt Ulster will want to win this competition, they are not just making up the numbers.

Great one to win. COYS.

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Saint Stokey
Harrison's carrying is incredible!

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Deesaint
Nick could be in trouble

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Hmmm certainly on the wrong side of the referees whistle at the moment! Not sure it poor discipline or he is being a stickler for the laws, perhaps a few harsh calls in there but playing with a man or two down doesn’t make it easy!

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Santiago
Is it me or is this the worst commentary team ever. They seem to mumble among themselves and lack any insights

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Santiago
Is it me or is this the worst commentary team ever. They seem to mumble among themselves and lack any insights

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Santiago
Is it me or is this the worst commentary team ever. They seem to mumble among themselves and lack any insights

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Saint Nath
Some frustrating discipline.
Like someone said above that 1-2 punch by Freeman will be a real physiological blow to Ulster.

I tell you one thing, this team does not fold when the going gets tough anymore.
And to me Win, loose, draw as long as the team always dogs in and gives it’s all I can always get behind that

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Some frustrating discipline.
Like someone said above that 1-2 punch by Freeman will be a real physiological blow to Ulster.

I tell you one thing, this team does not fold when the going gets tough anymore.
And to me Win, loose, draw as long as the team always dogs in and gives it’s all I can always get behind that

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Saint Stokey
Frantically mashing the Red Button looking for the English language commentary.

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ajack
Reflects where we are at the minute some really good stuff at times but some really awful stuff others. Still don't look close to being able to control a game at any point.

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.


Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the
younger guys.

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Bigger not fancy kicking today then, I bet he would if it was Wales

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.



Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

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Heartened by the effort and some of the play, but for me, the referee was absolutely abysmal.
Disagree with above comments about blaming the coaches or even worse, Biggar. Had we not endured this 3 cards in the first 20 we'd have won.

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Bigger not fancy kicking today then, I bet he would if it was Wales

Great contributing post

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.


Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

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Bigger not fancy kicking today then, I bet he would if it was Wales

Great contributing post

Childish comments BUT if he wasn’t 100% match fit to be he should not have been playing. Grayson should have started

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.



Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

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Saint Stokey
Biggar was a rock in defense and very good on the attack. Had Grayson played, we'd be asking why we played an inexperienced 10
Pick players for their strengths, not their weaknesses. Especially if we have multiple players who can cover that weakness.

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I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.


Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

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Longers
I rather enjoyed that. Even with the result.
We played well. We were competitive.

We just lacked a bit of physicality. That will come.

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.


Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Good to see you’ve got your anti Dan Biggar post early. 😂

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Deesaint

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.



Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

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Deesaint

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.



Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

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StBuckby

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Deesaint

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.



Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

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Deesaint

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.



Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

So when you and Dee chip at Alex Mitchell every week, our young guy on 25% of Biggar's salary and an Academy product - that is fine

When I say our Lions 10 should control second halves to win us matches - massive issue

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Longers
I rather enjoyed that. Even with the result.
We played well. We were competitive.

We just lacked a bit of physicality. That will come.

Umm, where will the physicality come from?? 🤔

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StBuckby

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Deesaint

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.



Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

Inane definition: lacking sense or meaning; silly

If one of the best kickers in World rugby isn't taking our kicks at goal, in a cup quarter, then it has to be questioned.

It is strange shoot it down as a discussion piece.

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StBuckby

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Deesaint

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.



Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

So when you and Dee chip at Alex Mitchell every week, our young guy on 25% of Biggar's salary and an Academy product - that is fine

When I say our Lions 10 should control second halves to win us matches - massive issue

Mate, you practically have scripted posts and you can't seem to deviate away from them.

Thought Alex played well tonight now you mention it.

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The ref wasn’t abysmal. He was the same for both sides. Our downfall was a no arms tackle that put us under pressure with a man down against a very good scrum. The subsequent yellows were fair enough and a direct consequence of the first yellow.
The physicality dropped in the second half due to the effort in the first. Some earlier subs may have helped but the intensity didn’t look any better with the new front row. Woody may have made a difference if introduced earlier.

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ajack
We do some lovely stuff at times and some unbelievably dumb stuff others.

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Longers
I rather enjoyed that. Even with the result.
We played well. We were competitive.

We just lacked a bit of physicality. That will come.

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ajack

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St Saltaire
The ref wasn’t abysmal. He was the same for both sides. Our downfall was a no arms tackle that put us under pressure with a man down against a very good scrum. The subsequent yellows were fair enough and a direct consequence of the first yellow.
The physicality dropped in the second half due to the effort in the first. Some earlier subs may have helped but the intensity didn’t look any better with the new front row. Woody may have made a difference if introduced earlier.

The most sensible post for a long while on this thread. Hard to believe the number of the ref cost us posts. Late no arm tackle will always be yellow. Constant penalties within 10 metres of your own try line will always be yellow as will giving away penalty tries.

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St Saltaire
The ref wasn’t abysmal. He was the same for both sides. Our downfall was a no arms tackle that put us under pressure with a man down against a very good scrum. The subsequent yellows were fair enough and a direct consequence of the first yellow.
The physicality dropped in the second half due to the effort in the first. Some earlier subs may have helped but the intensity didn’t look any better with the new front row. Woody may have made a difference if introduced earlier.

The most sensible post for a long while on this thread. Hard to believe the number of the ref cost us posts. Late no arm tackle will always be yellow. Constant penalties within 10 metres of your own try line will always be yellow as will giving away penalty tries.

I've never previously blamed the referee for a loss, but this guy was truly awful. The first minute of the game he gave a scrum against Mitchell for not using within 5 seconds, Cooney did this multiple times without being penalised.

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The ref wasn’t abysmal. He was the same for both sides. Our downfall was a no arms tackle that put us under pressure with a man down against a very good scrum. The subsequent yellows were fair enough and a direct consequence of the first yellow.
The physicality dropped in the second half due to the effort in the first. Some earlier subs may have helped but the intensity didn’t look any better with the new front row. Woody may have made a difference if introduced earlier.

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StBuckby

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StBuckby
I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.




Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

So when you and Dee chip at Alex Mitchell every week, our young guy on 25% of Biggar's salary and an Academy product - that is fine

When I say our Lions 10 should control second halves to win us matches - massive issue

Mate, you practically have scripted posts and you can't seem to deviate away from them.

Thought Alex played well tonight now you mention it.

Scripted means not relevant to each game and pre-determined


Which of these do you not agree with:-

1. Dan did not kick at goal

2. Dan did not control territory in the last 20

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Longers
I rather enjoyed that. Even with the result.
We played well. We were competitive.

We just lacked a bit of physicality. That will come.

Umm, where will the physicality come from?? 🤔

Coles, Ribbans, Hill, Moon, Ludlam (of this matchday squad) all having another year of musclarity. Forwards is a late 20s game unless you are a freak.

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The ref wasn’t abysmal. He was the same for both sides. Our downfall was a no arms tackle that put us under pressure with a man down against a very good scrum. The subsequent yellows were fair enough and a direct consequence of the first yellow.
The physicality dropped in the second half due to the effort in the first. Some earlier subs may have helped but the intensity didn’t look any better with the new front row. Woody may have made a difference if introduced earlier.

The most sensible post for a long while on this thread. Hard to believe the number of the ref cost us posts. Late no arm tackle will always be yellow. Constant penalties within 10 metres of your own try line will always be yellow as will giving away penalty tries.

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St Saltaire
The ref wasn’t abysmal. He was the same for both sides. Our downfall was a no arms tackle that put us under pressure with a man down against a very good scrum. The subsequent yellows were fair enough and a direct consequence of the first yellow.
The physicality dropped in the second half due to the effort in the first. Some earlier subs may have helped but the intensity didn’t look any better with the new front row. Woody may have made a difference if introduced earlier.

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Regarding their try from the line out where the player came to front how was that not called as not straight - it was nowhere near to being contestable.
Stockdale’s try was also a yard forward, there was a camera angle shown from other side after TMO decision made that showed clearly. The TMO seemed rushed to make quick, if not necessarily correct, decisions as if there’d been a directive
I don’t have an issue with the cards we received as they were fair based on our actions but in general thought it wasn’t a good refereeing team performance.

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St Saltaire
Matthew - Freeman appeared to twist his knee when tackled. Chris Boyd was hopeful after the match that it’s not too bad an injury but did caveat that by saying that it was too early to assess the damage fully.

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Longers
No arguments with most of the "Ref" comments, but I have one question regarding the Matavesi card.
I felt the player had broken off the ruck and therefore what Sam attempted was simply a tackle on a player in open play? Anyone else?

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No arguments with most of the "Ref" comments, but I have one question regarding the Matavesi card.
I felt the player had broken off the ruck and therefore what Sam attempted was simply a tackle on a player in open play? Anyone else?

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That was the most disappointed I've been in some time after a Saints loss. Our energy levels were high, just our discipline letting us down and , however inconsistent the referee is we need to be better at managing him.
Ludlam, Harrison, Ribbans, Matavesi and Freeman were all excellent and Mitchell was going strong too. Most of the lads had pretty solid games tbf, and thought Waller was playing best I've seen in a long while.

Thought our replacements didn't have any meaningful impact yesterday, Dingwall aside.

Plenty of positives, and you can see we're improving in most areas now.

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I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.




Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

So when you and Dee chip at Alex Mitchell every week, our young guy on 25% of Biggar's salary and an Academy product - that is fine

When I say our Lions 10 should control second halves to win us matches - massive issue

Mate, you practically have scripted posts and you can't seem to deviate away from them.

Thought Alex played well tonight now you mention it.

Scripted means not relevant to each game and pre-determined


Which of these do you not agree with:-

1. Dan did not kick at goal

2. Dan did not control territory in the last 20

For the sake of everyone else who reads this message board, can you not just accept that you have differing opinions and get on with life?

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Tigers fan in peace here. Watched your game against ulster last night and thought that Saints just ran out of steam at the end. The Irish provinces have got really good depth and don’t play as many high intensity games as we do in the premiership so always seem to finish strongly.
Good luck for the rest of the season and keep playing the way you are as it is very enjoyable to watch. Tigers are slowly improving but our back play has a long way to go to match yours

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St. Buckby
No one minds 'honest' posts as long as the person posting them knows what he's talking about. Have you coached at the same level as our DoR?
If you had payed attention you would have heard the commentator mention Biggar has an adductor strain.

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St. Buckby
No one minds 'honest' posts as long as the person posting them knows what he's talking about. Have you coached at the same level as our DoR?
If you had payed attention you would have heard the commentator mention Biggar has an adductor strain.

So why on earth did the coach and he agree to play? I said I pinned the loss on the coaches and given his injury I stick to that even more so.

Ajack makes a good point that they decided it was worth the risk - if you asked me before the game whether to play a fit Grays or an injured DB I would have said a fit Grays all day long.


As to the comments about being a DOR, I’ve been one the most supportive of Boyd on here, even when others wanted him sacked.

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I never thought we was gonna lose the game yesterday at any point until Stockdale's try- which i think had a forward pass in it! We defended manfully against a huge bunch of forwards, our discipline let us down but the ref made a few dodgy calls. Was impressed with our scrum against their massive pack and thought we earned a scrum penalty or two, a few times their props popped up but never got pinged. I think losing Taquele cost us badly- we had been using him well recently and he would have kept their centres honest and taken a couple of defenders giving us room. Our back row of Nick, Lewis and Tei were brilliant yesterday- Nick is going to be a big loss for us, i know we have Courtney to come back but i would have a massive run at trying to sign him permanently! I know he will be expensive but in my view worth every penny 👍

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I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.




Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

So when you and Dee chip at Alex Mitchell every week, our young guy on 25% of Biggar's salary and an Academy product - that is fine

When I say our Lions 10 should control second halves to win us matches - massive issue

Mate, you practically have scripted posts and you can't seem to deviate away from them.

Thought Alex played well tonight now you mention it.

Scripted means not relevant to each game and pre-determined


Which of these do you not agree with:-

1. Dan did not kick at goal

2. Dan did not control territory in the last 20

For the sake of everyone else who reads this message board, can you not just accept that you have differing opinions and get on with life?

If you read the thread you will see I just offered a view, the attack mob told me to “go away” and that my thoughts on Dans performance were scripted and inane.

It was others that didn’t accept my view and were straight up rude, I won’t cower to bullies.

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Buckby- whats with all the victimhood? Your bezzie mate and drinking buddy was outright rude/abusive to me, didn't call him a bully did I? No one is bullying you, people just have different opinions.
To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible.

A few weeks ago you were calling for Furbank to be our 10, yet you now claim you want Grayson (in your eyes our 3rd choice) to start ahead of Biggar, our lions candidate?

Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it.

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So you don't believe the coaches and DoR have more knowledge and experience and are better placed to make these decisions rather than someone who doesn't and can only carp with hindsight.

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I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.




Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

So when you and Dee chip at Alex Mitchell every week, our young guy on 25% of Biggar's salary and an Academy product - that is fine

When I say our Lions 10 should control second halves to win us matches - massive issue

Mate, you practically have scripted posts and you can't seem to deviate away from them.

Thought Alex played well tonight now you mention it.

Scripted means not relevant to each game and pre-determined


Which of these do you not agree with:-

1. Dan did not kick at goal

2. Dan did not control territory in the last 20

For the sake of everyone else who reads this message board, can you not just accept that you have differing opinions and get on with life?

If you read the thread you will see I just offered a view, the attack mob told me to “go away” and that my thoughts on Dans performance were scripted and inane.

It was others that didn’t accept my view and were straight up rude, I won’t cower to bullies.

That’s a great example of the passive aggressive approach
It wasn’t me
It was those nasty other bullies

My concern with some of your posts are the clear agenda you have against certain players
It started with Dylan who you constantly called into question
Your just starting to get your claws in Harry M
But have a clear dislike of DB and take any opportunity to be negative against him
How do you know how much he is paid
How do you know how much Mitchell is paid
All arguments with no fact to back up your allegations
But done to cause the most damage against certain players

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Buckby- whats with all the victimhood? Your bezzie mate and drinking buddy was outright rude/abusive to me, didn't call him a bully did I? No one is bullying you, people just have different opinions.
To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible.

A few weeks ago you were calling for Furbank to be our 10, yet you now claim you want Grayson (in your eyes our 3rd choice) to start ahead of Biggar, our lions candidate?

Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it.

saint krige - you carry strong opinions. Great. But please do not make the same mistake that others of this parish have done in the past and confuse them with fact.

You can opine that "Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it." but it does not make it fact. It is your opinion, and no more. You might be right. Who knows? No-one. Not even CB.

You state that "To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible." but that is a contradiction in itself. And actually nonsense. If he is carrying a "minor knock" he wasn't fit. If he could not perform his normal duties he wasn't fit.

We lost.

Now it's time for Toulouse and Clermont.

And if DB fancies his chances as a Lions tourist, he needs to keep himself fit - which might include having a weekend or two, away from rugby?

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I’m pinning this loss on the coaches

Way too slow to sub on our gun scrummaging props. Should have done so when Ulster had a 5 metre scrum (which they scored a try from) and too slow to bring Woody on. Also TJ should have been on as soon as momentum changed after 60 mins.


Expect Biggar to control the game with territory when we were ahead. If you’re on the big bucks you have to close out these games. He did none of that.




Dee agreed shows muscularity isn’t quite there with some of the younger guys.

Have to say your constant picking on Dan Bigger is sickening
If you had any knowledge of the game there might be some merit
Go away

Calm down, no-one is picking on anyone, these are fair questions. His surname is BiggAr, it is a bit disrespectful to spell it wrong.

He is on massive money, we are ahead in a cup game. He doesn't control territory and isn't even fit enough to kick at goal. WHY. Answer these valid questions (which at least 2 other posters have agreed on) instead of acting like a child and making this forum personal.

Buckby, when Biggar doesn't play you say we don't get VFM, when he does play it "why isn't he kicking" or some other inane ramblings. You've been stuck on repeat for a bit too long on most topics now.

So when you and Dee chip at Alex Mitchell every week, our young guy on 25% of Biggar's salary and an Academy product - that is fine

When I say our Lions 10 should control second halves to win us matches - massive issue

Mate, you practically have scripted posts and you can't seem to deviate away from them.

Thought Alex played well tonight now you mention it.

Scripted means not relevant to each game and pre-determined


Which of these do you not agree with:-

1. Dan did not kick at goal

2. Dan did not control territory in the last 20

For the sake of everyone else who reads this message board, can you not just accept that you have differing opinions and get on with life?

If you read the thread you will see I just offered a view, the attack mob told me to “go away” and that my thoughts on Dans performance were scripted and inane.

It was others that didn’t accept my view and were straight up rude, I won’t cower to bullies.

That’s a great example of the passive aggressive approach
It wasn’t me
It was those nasty other bullies

My concern with some of your posts are the clear agenda you have against certain players
It started with Dylan who you constantly called into question
Your just starting to get your claws in Harry M
But have a clear dislike of DB and take any opportunity to be negative against him
How do you know how much he is paid
How do you know how much Mitchell is paid
All arguments with no fact to back up your allegations
But done to cause the most damage against certain players

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Buckby- whats with all the victimhood? Your bezzie mate and drinking buddy was outright rude/abusive to me, didn't call him a bully did I? No one is bullying you, people just have different opinions.
To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible.

A few weeks ago you were calling for Furbank to be our 10, yet you now claim you want Grayson (in your eyes our 3rd choice) to start ahead of Biggar, our lions candidate?

Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it.

saint krige - you carry strong opinions. Great. But please do not make the same mistake that others of this parish have done in the past and confuse them with fact.

You can opine that "Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it." but it does not make it fact. It is your opinion, and no more. You might be right. Who knows? No-one. Not even CB.

You state that "To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible." but that is a contradiction in itself. And actually nonsense. If he is carrying a "minor knock" he wasn't fit. If he could not perform his normal duties he wasn't fit.

We lost.

Now it's time for Toulouse and Clermont.

And if DB fancies his chances as a Lions tourist, he needs to keep himself fit - which might include having a weekend or two, away from rugby?

The point you make about Grayson and not knowing how he would have fared is a valid point, but I do think Biggar is all round better and much better defensively, previous performances have led me to that belief.

However, the second point about "someone carrying a knock shouldn't be playing" - this is almost funny, it's very, very rare for a player to be 100% niggle-free playing in a game. Most go a season whilst carrying niggling injuries which they then fix (operate on) in the off season. Dan would've passed all the checks to play, but the decision was taken not to aggravate his niggle by place kicking...this is common practice and a sensible approach.

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Buckby- whats with all the victimhood? Your bezzie mate and drinking buddy was outright rude/abusive to me, didn't call him a bully did I? No one is bullying you, people just have different opinions.
To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible.

A few weeks ago you were calling for Furbank to be our 10, yet you now claim you want Grayson (in your eyes our 3rd choice) to start ahead of Biggar, our lions candidate?

Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it.

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Buckby- whats with all the victimhood? Your bezzie mate and drinking buddy was outright rude/abusive to me, didn't call him a bully did I? No one is bullying you, people just have different opinions.
To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible.

A few weeks ago you were calling for Furbank to be our 10, yet you now claim you want Grayson (in your eyes our 3rd choice) to start ahead of Biggar, our lions candidate?

Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it.

saint krige - you carry strong opinions. Great. But please do not make the same mistake that others of this parish have done in the past and confuse them with fact.

You can opine that "Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it." but it does not make it fact. It is your opinion, and no more. You might be right. Who knows? No-one. Not even CB.

You state that "To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible." but that is a contradiction in itself. And actually nonsense. If he is carrying a "minor knock" he wasn't fit. If he could not perform his normal duties he wasn't fit.

We lost.

Now it's time for Toulouse and Clermont.

And if DB fancies his chances as a Lions tourist, he needs to keep himself fit - which might include having a weekend or two, away from rugby?

The point you make about Grayson and not knowing how he would have fared is a valid point, but I do think Biggar is all round better and much better defensively, previous performances have led me to that belief.

However, the second point about "someone carrying a knock shouldn't be playing" - this is almost funny, it's very, very rare for a player to be 100% niggle-free playing in a game. Most go a season whilst carrying niggling injuries which they then fix (operate on) in the off season. Dan would've passed all the checks to play, but the decision was taken not to aggravate his niggle by place kicking...this is common practice and a sensible approach.

Of course DB is a better player than JG. But we still cannot say how JG would have performed.

I'm not sure how you are familiar with DB's health? He was not fit. It was decided by the coaching team to play him. Did he contribute? That's an arguable issue.

Of course players play with niggles. Only DB knows exactly how he was. However, playing him left us with minimal back-up in the event of that decision back-firing. It meant a back-up kicker was required. It is perfectly reasonable to question that decision by the selection team.

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Buckby- whats with all the victimhood? Your bezzie mate and drinking buddy was outright rude/abusive to me, didn't call him a bully did I? No one is bullying you, people just have different opinions.
To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible.

A few weeks ago you were calling for Furbank to be our 10, yet you now claim you want Grayson (in your eyes our 3rd choice) to start ahead of Biggar, our lions candidate?

Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it.

saint krige - you carry strong opinions. Great. But please do not make the same mistake that others of this parish have done in the past and confuse them with fact.

You can opine that "Grayson wouldn't have been anywhere close to as good as Dan in defence or attack yesterday, he may have taken goal kicks, that's about it." but it does not make it fact. It is your opinion, and no more. You might be right. Who knows? No-one. Not even CB.

You state that "To imply that Biggar wasn't fit b/c he didn't take kick goals is inaccurate, it merely suggests they don't want to aggravate a minor knock he's carrying...which is completely sensible." but that is a contradiction in itself. And actually nonsense. If he is carrying a "minor knock" he wasn't fit. If he could not perform his normal duties he wasn't fit.

We lost.

Now it's time for Toulouse and Clermont.

And if DB fancies his chances as a Lions tourist, he needs to keep himself fit - which might include having a weekend or two, away from rugby?

The point you make about Grayson and not knowing how he would have fared is a valid point, but I do think Biggar is all round better and much better defensively, previous performances have led me to that belief.

However, the second point about "someone carrying a knock shouldn't be playing" - this is almost funny, it's very, very rare for a player to be 100% niggle-free playing in a game. Most go a season whilst carrying niggling injuries which they then fix (operate on) in the off season. Dan would've passed all the checks to play, but the decision was taken not to aggravate his niggle by place kicking...this is common practice and a sensible approach.

Of course DB is a better player than JG. But we still cannot say how JG would have performed.

I'm not sure how you are familiar with DB's health? He was not fit. It was decided by the coaching team to play him. Did he contribute? That's an arguable issue.

Of course players play with niggles. Only DB knows exactly how he was. However, playing him left us with minimal back-up in the event of that decision back-firing. It meant a back-up kicker was required. It is perfectly reasonable to question that decision by the selection team.

The coaching team wouldn't and don't select players that "aren't fit"- that just doesn't happen. He may have been touch-and-go, but he will have passed the match day protocols.

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It cost us in terms of goal-kicking. From memory Piers missed at least 4 eminently kickable points in the first half, that would have taken our lead from 8 to 12 points. That’s a big difference in terms of control and game management. It also arguably effects the ability of the opposition to give away penalties, and allows them to be more aggressive in terms of attacking the breakdown.
As I’ve said on the other thread, going into a knockout, potentially season defining game without a frontline kicker just seems terribly naive to me, verging on the irresponsible. It was always going to be a game of fine-margins and we surrendered just enough. Other teams just don’t keep getting in their own way like we seem to.

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I rather enjoyed that. Even with the result.
We played well. We were competitive.

We just lacked a bit of physicality. That will come.

Umm, where will the physicality come from?? 🤔

Coles, Ribbans, Hill, Moon, Ludlam (of this matchday squad) all having another year of musclarity. Forwards is a late 20s game unless you are a freak.

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I rather enjoyed that. Even with the result.
We played well. We were competitive.

We just lacked a bit of physicality. That will come.

Umm, where will the physicality come from?? 🤔

Coles, Ribbans, Hill, Moon, Ludlam (of this matchday squad) all having another year of musclarity. Forwards is a late 20s game unless you are a freak.

Just a shame the game was played this season

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The game was an excellent barometer for how good we are/our progress. With nearly a fully first choice side and playing pretty well we still lost. But we were competitive against a decent and experienced European team. So no shame in that. It gave our lads good knock out experience so they will learn from this.
Credit to Ulster for their tactics. They'd have seen our discipline is a weakness and coupled with a card happy ref kept going for the corner. They also used the up and unders brilliantly which exposed us. The best teams are well drilled to ensure decent catchers and clarity of who is catching and also ensuring multiple players act of blockers to assist the catcher by running backwards but not changing line and therefore not getting penalised.

Winning in knockout rugby is a lot about not making mistakes with some brilliance thrown in. If our discipline was better and we were better at up and unders we'd have won given we did enough brilliant bits to win the game. So it was a beneficial game for showing where we need to improve. You invariably learn more from losing than winning.

Plus it was a great game to watch.

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The game was an excellent barometer for how good we are/our progress. With nearly a fully first choice side and playing pretty well we still lost. But we were competitive against a decent and experienced European team. So no shame in that. It gave our lads good knock out experience so they will learn from this.
Credit to Ulster for their tactics. They'd have seen our discipline is a weakness and coupled with a card happy ref kept going for the corner. They also used the up and unders brilliantly which exposed us. The best teams are well drilled to ensure decent catchers and clarity of who is catching and also ensuring multiple players act of blockers to assist the catcher by running backwards but not changing line and therefore not getting penalised.

Winning in knockout rugby is a lot about not making mistakes with some brilliance thrown in. If our discipline was better and we were better at up and unders we'd have won given we did enough brilliant bits to win the game. So it was a beneficial game for showing where we need to improve. You invariably learn more from losing than winning.

Plus it was a great game to watch.

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I’m not convinced Ulster are a ‘decent European team’. They’re the same team that lost to Gloucester in the main competition this season - arguably when Glaws where playing their worst rugby of the season.

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The game was an excellent barometer for how good we are/our progress. With nearly a fully first choice side and playing pretty well we still lost. But we were competitive against a decent and experienced European team. So no shame in that. It gave our lads good knock out experience so they will learn from this.
Credit to Ulster for their tactics. They'd have seen our discipline is a weakness and coupled with a card happy ref kept going for the corner. They also used the up and unders brilliantly which exposed us. The best teams are well drilled to ensure decent catchers and clarity of who is catching and also ensuring multiple players act of blockers to assist the catcher by running backwards but not changing line and therefore not getting penalised.

Winning in knockout rugby is a lot about not making mistakes with some brilliance thrown in. If our discipline was better and we were better at up and unders we'd have won given we did enough brilliant bits to win the game. So it was a beneficial game for showing where we need to improve. You invariably learn more from losing than winning.

Plus it was a great game to watch.

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I’m not convinced Ulster are a ‘decent European team’. They’re the same team that lost to Gloucester in the main competition this season - arguably when Glaws where playing their worst rugby of the season.

100 per cent agree with this. Very little difference in European successes/progress in recent years with us.

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I find myself not too dispirited by that.

Then the defence on the line, if you are continually offside, and continually warned about it, you need to make sure you stay on side.
It probably means you concede, but we conceded anyway.

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I think the Nick I yellow was just unfortunate, he was rightly trying to put pressure on the 10 and I think got caught in two minds right at the last second and half pulled up - there's been a few like that where it ends up being a shoulder bump rather than a tackle. It then comes down to force and in this case the size differential meant it didn't need much force to look bad. So unlucky on his part but by the letter of the law and the current directives a yellow.

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I find myself not too dispirited by that.

Then the defence on the line, if you are continually offside, and continually warned about it, you need to make sure you stay on side.
It probably means you concede, but we conceded anyway.

I think the issue was that he seemed very quick to penalise and yellow card us but cautioned Ulster before they went offside.

Similarly was the speed of using the ball from a breakdown. Mitchell seemed to really have to rush his passed and kicks whereas Cooney seemed to be given an age, then warned, then he used it. Not quite the same as Mitchell being penalised in the openning minutes.

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I find myself not too dispirited by that.

Then the defence on the line, if you are continually offside, and continually warned about it, you need to make sure you stay on side.
It probably means you concede, but we conceded anyway.

I think the issue was that he seemed very quick to penalise and yellow card us but cautioned Ulster before they went offside.

Similarly was the speed of using the ball from a breakdown. Mitchell seemed to really have to rush his passed and kicks whereas Cooney seemed to be given an age, then warned, then he used it. Not quite the same as Mitchell being penalised in the openning minutes.

On penalising Mitchell I feel this might have been slightly pre-meditated in terms of Ruiz had already highlighted it as an area to target, possibly due to the picture Mitchell paints to refs, I appreciate this was the first involvement of Mitchell in the game but I’m sure Ruiz opinion would have been formed by last weeks game and previous matches/footage.
I find myself watching Mitchell and regularly think he takes it to the limit once ‘use it’ has been called, often with a little head feint added in (which again I have heard refs warn him on). I’m not saying he is the worst for it, all 9s do it but if you do stretch it out and push refs you are going to get penalised.

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I find myself not too dispirited by that.

Then the defence on the line, if you are continually offside, and continually warned about it, you need to make sure you stay on side.
It probably means you concede, but we conceded anyway.

I think the issue was that he seemed very quick to penalise and yellow card us but cautioned Ulster before they went offside.

Similarly was the speed of using the ball from a breakdown. Mitchell seemed to really have to rush his passed and kicks whereas Cooney seemed to be given an age, then warned, then he used it. Not quite the same as Mitchell being penalised in the openning minutes.

On penalising Mitchell I feel this might have been slightly pre-meditated in terms of Ruiz had already highlighted it as an area to target, possibly due to the picture Mitchell paints to refs, I appreciate this was the first involvement of Mitchell in the game but I’m sure Ruiz opinion would have been formed by last weeks game and previous matches/footage.
I find myself watching Mitchell and regularly think he takes it to the limit once ‘use it’ has been called, often with a little head feint added in (which again I have heard refs warn him on). I’m not saying he is the worst for it, all 9s do it but if you do stretch it out and push refs you are going to get penalised.

I think you are correct. It was a “Pre planned” penalty, designed to set the tone, and in a way the referee’s self assessment of his game the week before.

Next week will be accidental offside, “accidental” high tackles, and forward passes.