Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
By Saint Ted
April 28 2022
I'm back from my travels so proper thread this week!
Who:
Northampton Saints v Harlequins
When:
Friday 29th April 2022 19:45
Where:
Franklins Gardens
How do I watch:
BTSports 2
Tickets available from
Officials:
Referee: Matthew Carley
Assistant referees: Greg Macdonald and Wayne Falla
No.4: Charlie Gayther
TMO: Rowan Kitt
Teams:
Not considered for selection:
Matthew Arden, Nick Auterac, Dan Biggar, Teimana Harrison, Sam Matavesi, Brandon Nansen, Ollie Newman, Ehren Painter, David Ribbans, Courtnall Skosan, Kayde Sylvester, and Tom Wood.
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Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
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Date: 28/04/2022 12:04
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Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Deesaint (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 12:09
Courtney back already !!
No surprise that there is a wholesale change in front 3.
Season defining game.
No surprise that there is a wholesale change in front 3.
Season defining game.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Spockst (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 12:23
Courtney is a super hero!
Good looking team and bench. Come on Jimmy G, show everyone what you’re made of.
Good looking team and bench. Come on Jimmy G, show everyone what you’re made of.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: ch saint (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 12:25
If ever there was an opportunity for James to demonstrate his abilities tomorrow evening is it.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: ajack (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 12:35
Huge bonus to have Lawes back for us and Marler out for them. I don't see a huge difference in the packs. Can our backs operate as a unit as well as Quins both in attack and defence?
I just don't see us as strong as them at half backs, centres or back three.
I just don't see us as strong as them at half backs, centres or back three.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 13:04
Interesting to see we're giving(subject to him getting on) Hinkley a run off the subs bench.
Not a bad shout for a trialist.
Not a bad shout for a trialist.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 15:51
Quote:Deesaint
Courtney back already !!
Crumbs. Have you "Six Million Dollar Manned" him?
"We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster"
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Saint Maul (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 16:50
Quote:ajack
Huge bonus to have Lawes back for us and Marler out for them. I don't see a huge difference in the packs. Can our backs operate as a unit as well as Quins both in attack and defence?
I just don't see us as strong as them at half backs, centres or back three.
+1. Huge positives.
Need to make home advantage count.
This game defines our season. Win and we are contenders. Lose and we are also-rans
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: St Marcus (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 17:09
Lawes and Dingers back is a big boost. Quins look strong but Marler is a big miss for them.
We need the Gardens rocking tomorrow evening - we can help the team. Hopefully it will be another famous Friday evening win.
We need the Gardens rocking tomorrow evening - we can help the team. Hopefully it will be another famous Friday evening win.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Hantsaintsrus4 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 20:34
I see Hutch smashing Dombrandt backward and sitting him on his rear end. If that happens half a dozen times in the first few minutes the scene will be set. COYS!
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Santiago (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2022 21:32
Quote:Hantsaintsrus4
I see Hutch smashing Dombrandt backward and sitting him on his rear end. If that happens half a dozen times in the first few minutes the scene will be set. COYS!
Juarno smashing Esterhuizen is the other other show in town. Not many have stopped Esterhuizen this season.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: stjj (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 08:01
Need to put Smith under pressure. He doesn't like being hit hard by more powerful players, which is why he offloads early.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Stevie Myler's right boot (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 09:29
Need Courtney at his collecting fly half numbers best tonight
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 10:51
Matevesi is a miss although Mikey seems to be back to form - ideally for these big games we'd have both available.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Saintsby (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 11:20
Wow! Courtney back is great news and we need him to do a 'Morgan Parra' on Marcus Smith 
now that was some tackle Parra was 'folded up' by the long arm(s) of the Lawes. COMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN YEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW SAAAAAAINTS! Us lot in the stands need to be HUUUUGE and very loud. BRING IT ON 
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now that was some tackle Parra was 'folded up' by the long arm(s) of the Lawes. COMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN YEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW SAAAAAAINTS! Us lot in the stands need to be HUUUUGE and very loud. BRING IT ON Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022:04:29:11:29:58 by Saintsby.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 11:37
Pressure without creating gaps for their attack to capitalise on is the key. If we go out too hard we risk loosing structure. If we don't go hard enough though we make it too easy.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 12:07
Quote:Duckonstilts
Pressure without creating gaps for their attack to capitalise on is the key. If we go out too hard we risk loosing structure. If we don't go hard enough though we make it too easy.
We must retain a sweeper and keep our width when they have the ball. Then it is just numbers and tackling.
Easy!
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Deesaint (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 13:00
We need to stop Care and Smith from controlling the game.
Previous outings against Quinns have seen them with far too much time to manage the game in their favour.
Previous outings against Quinns have seen them with far too much time to manage the game in their favour.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Spockst (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 13:08
A criticism would be that sometimes our forwards seem a little slow getting off the deck and into a defensive position around the ruck. We definitely can’t do that against Quins.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Stevie Myler's right boot (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 14:38
Quote:Absolutely, if you let them have an armchair ride they’ll destroy you. Need a good rattle around the ribs from early onDeesaint
We need to stop Care and Smith from controlling the game.
Previous outings against Quinns have seen them with far too much time to manage the game in their favour.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Tigergeezer (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 16:38
Do a number on them, Saintly ones. I shall be supporting Saints this evening, at the cost of some cruel cognitive dissonance.
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Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: St Saltaire (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 18:14
Amazed to see Lawes in the team. What a character - that should give the Team and supporters a boost.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 19:11
Good luck Saints.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Awaywin (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 19:19
All big games recently we have conceded a couple of early tries and it’s been over before it’s started. Not tonight please Saints, let’s give this one a real go.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Berkshire-Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 19:43
Hopefully we get off to a really positive start tonight but is going to be a tough game, glad Lawes is out there.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Walks11 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 20:41
Great half of rugby. Fear early injuries might cost us towards the end. Hinkley doing well so far
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: SaintsAsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 20:46
We are playing really well, we need to keep playing well in the second half and hope lady luck goes our way for once in this game.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 20:48
Only complaint - would have liked Carley to have looked at the tackle that crocked Alex Coles. I thought the tackler lifted him.
Can we keep it up?
Can we keep it up?
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Berkshire-Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 20:51
I think that’s one of the best attacking performances so far this season, hopefully they can dig deep and overcome the early substitutions as they are going to be struggling later on.
Need to walk away with as many points as possible.
Need to walk away with as many points as possible.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: SaintsAsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 20:52
I thought we had our hands on the ball for a turnover a couple of times and was not given and they had hands on floor not given. But hey ho.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: chappers_saint (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 21:00
What happened to Lawes?
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Walks11 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 21:30
Carleyquin all of a sudden
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 21:50
Congrats. Great win.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: shendy (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 21:53
Quote:Longers
Only complaint - would have liked Carley to have looked at the tackle that crocked Alex Coles. I thought the tackler lifted him.
Can we keep it up?
Lifted, but not beyond horizontal from what I saw.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Walks11 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 21:53
Fantastic win, hats off to all the players sticky second half but stuck with it. Early injuries certainly didn’t help. Hinkley what an impressive debut, James great kick at the end and played well. The Lord of Ravensthorpe is not human, how on earth he was on the field for 80 minutes let alone play like that is completely beyond me
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: shendy (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 21:55
What a cracking match, and a superb result.
Let's hope the injuries don't cost us too much - and huge sympathies for Carey, only lasting 10 or so minutes on his first start, and what looked like a nasty injury.
Let's hope the injuries don't cost us too much - and huge sympathies for Carey, only lasting 10 or so minutes on his first start, and what looked like a nasty injury.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Dave Berko (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 21:56
Well done from another Sarries. Deserved.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: SaintsAsh (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 21:56
Great win, the bounce was against us, injuries were against us, the breakdown officiating was against us. But you've not seen nothing like the mighty Saints.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 21:57
Excellent result. All round superb performances.
Sign Hinkley
Jimmy Grayson MOM
Sign Hinkley
Jimmy Grayson MOM
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: shiversaint (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:01
Yes saints. Faith restored.
Grayson played out of his skin tonight, I do hope he’s staying.
Grayson played out of his skin tonight, I do hope he’s staying.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Deesaint (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:02
Don’t know about Mitchell being knackered after 50 minutes
I was gasping!!!
That was the best 40 minutes - first half, that I’ve seen from Saints
Absolutely fantastic
One comment
Can we change whoever gives the half time motivation talk
It needs a lot of work
I was gasping!!!
That was the best 40 minutes - first half, that I’ve seen from Saints
Absolutely fantastic
One comment
Can we change whoever gives the half time motivation talk
It needs a lot of work
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Saint Gordo (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:03
What the hell did I just see? What a way to end the week. Better than s...........
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:04
Quote:Saint Gordo
What the hell did I just see? What a way to end the week. Better than s...........
Sunshine???
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: herbie85 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:04
Some conkers shown there from the lads. Could have been made a little easier if the high tackle was deemed red, personally a little shocked it wasn't but moot point really now...great win, COYS
Oh and hinkley was good...very good in fact
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Oh and hinkley was good...very good in fact
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Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Statesman (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:04
Great performance. Gutted I couldn’t be there. Please please please retain James Grayson. What a debut from Hinckley. Mitchell and Lawes outstanding. Manny is going to be awesome for us.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Tigergeezer (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:09
That was a damn good watch. Don't get me wrong, should we meet in the playoffs you will be the seeping dribble of vileness from the Netherhells as per, but that was a great performance - commitment, resilience with all the injuries, some wonderful fast-moving rugby and a simply monumental performance from Lawes.
Enjoy the shiny happy weekend.
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Enjoy the shiny happy weekend.
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Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Deesaint (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:14
That turnover by Courtney with 5 minutes to go was match defining
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:24
What a great game of rugby. I work hard all week and for me I want to be entertained and if you are not entertained by that then you perhaps just don’t like rugby.
Lots of cracking performances from lots of players but I love the fact that a trialist can come in and take his opportunity like that.
The work rate of some of our players is just phenomenal, Lawes and Ludlum only inspire all those around them to match their level of performance. Great to see Mitchell really developing into the player we all hoped he would be. He is so Dawson-esque.
I don’t understand what’s been happening with James Grayson this season and why the coaches just haven’t started with him when they could have. But after the last 20 at Bath and his performance tonight, I hope the coaches are seeing in him something worth keeping.
Lots of cracking performances from lots of players but I love the fact that a trialist can come in and take his opportunity like that.
The work rate of some of our players is just phenomenal, Lawes and Ludlum only inspire all those around them to match their level of performance. Great to see Mitchell really developing into the player we all hoped he would be. He is so Dawson-esque.
I don’t understand what’s been happening with James Grayson this season and why the coaches just haven’t started with him when they could have. But after the last 20 at Bath and his performance tonight, I hope the coaches are seeing in him something worth keeping.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Saint Gordo (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:24
Quote:Yeah, yeah, yeah.LongersQuote:Saint Gordo
What the hell did I just see? What a way to end the week. Better than s...........
Sunshine???
You know, I actually think it was.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Spockst (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:31
That was exhausting
Everyone brilliant, commitment everywhere
James Grayson just earnt a new contract
Everyone brilliant, commitment everywhere
James Grayson just earnt a new contract
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Santiago (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:38
Thank god for two weeks off to get a fit pair of tight heads, plus other injuries
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Spockst (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:46
Aaron Hinckley take a bow too, amazing performance
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Neil-H (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:47
All those that doubted Alex Mitchell and his progression?
He has been our player of the season and doing tail end of season that Ribbans did last season….. just on fire
The first 20mins of today, he just tore Quins apart, he did everything right, decisions, speed, pace, kicks, passes, breaks, support…. That was world class, n he lasts 50mins???? So what if u have 2 or 3 other international level 9s u cud pick, if we talking England
Care was in his pocket, n Care been best 9 this season
Courtney n Ludlam just broughg is so much, I was worried when Augustus who another contender for player season went off… but how good was Hinckley and a right pocket rocket, looks so small but powerful!
I was 50/50 going into the game….l I apologise for not having enough faith in the guys!!!
He has been our player of the season and doing tail end of season that Ribbans did last season….. just on fire
The first 20mins of today, he just tore Quins apart, he did everything right, decisions, speed, pace, kicks, passes, breaks, support…. That was world class, n he lasts 50mins???? So what if u have 2 or 3 other international level 9s u cud pick, if we talking England
Care was in his pocket, n Care been best 9 this season
Courtney n Ludlam just broughg is so much, I was worried when Augustus who another contender for player season went off… but how good was Hinckley and a right pocket rocket, looks so small but powerful!
I was 50/50 going into the game….l I apologise for not having enough faith in the guys!!!
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: A2O (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 22:55
Tigers fan in peace. Well done Saints. Wanted to see you in top four plus we win tomorrow against Bristol and that secures a home semi final against probably Saints or Quins.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Stevie Myler's right boot (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 23:00
Thought Grayson was superb tonight- Quins threw a heck of a lot of traffic down his channel
Was my MOTM
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Was my MOTM
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Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Saint Maul (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 23:48
Wow. Complete edge of seat stuff. What an incredible performance to overcome 5 players going off injured or with concussion.
Beating a top team playing well is a big step forward even if uncontested scrums helped us significantly.
5 bonus point victories in a row is impressive. And entertaining!
A Tigers semi-final looks to be on the menu.
Hopefully we can get most of the injured back for the semi. Though Carey looks out for the season and Augustus didn't look promising either....
Beating a top team playing well is a big step forward even if uncontested scrums helped us significantly.
5 bonus point victories in a row is impressive. And entertaining!
A Tigers semi-final looks to be on the menu.
Hopefully we can get most of the injured back for the semi. Though Carey looks out for the season and Augustus didn't look promising either....
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Marshal Ney (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2022 23:57
Absolutely fantastic - watched it recorded after a lovely dinner out to celebrate our daughters birthday - many wrote us off time and time again but tonight we were vindicated many times over. every one in the shirt did their bit - was particularly impressed by Courtney - Lewis and Appi
I really think we are capable of surprising anyone.
I really think we are capable of surprising anyone.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: fleetg (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 01:44
A great first half attacking performance coupled with a dogged, determined second.
I really hope rumours of Grayson heading elsewhere don't come to fruition as a number of us have been baffled by playing a non 10 at 10.
Mitchell was superb, Hinkley was very impressive ....... but Courtney Lawes : absolutely incredible !
I really hope rumours of Grayson heading elsewhere don't come to fruition as a number of us have been baffled by playing a non 10 at 10.
Mitchell was superb, Hinkley was very impressive ....... but Courtney Lawes : absolutely incredible !
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: TimperleySaint (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 08:15
To add my two pennies worth another player worth mentioning was Manny. I get that he didn't have to scrum which helps but he seemed to be everywhere tonight.
Also Grayson, Hutch and Dingwall having to manage Esterhuizen (sp) and Dombrant running at them all night. Well done boys.
Furbank made a number of big tackles well above his size too.
Ollie looked angry when he came on (will never not be amused by him trying to fight second rows) and won an important turnover.
I took my 6 year old daughter for only her second game and she loved it.
Also Grayson, Hutch and Dingwall having to manage Esterhuizen (sp) and Dombrant running at them all night. Well done boys.
Furbank made a number of big tackles well above his size too.
Ollie looked angry when he came on (will never not be amused by him trying to fight second rows) and won an important turnover.
I took my 6 year old daughter for only her second game and she loved it.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: SaintsAsh (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 08:16
While the uncontested scrums may have helped us, I am not sure it was outweighed by losing 3 forwards in 10 mins. We came out for the second half with only Fish on the bench.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: plymptonchief (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 09:36
Really pleased to see Aaron Hinkley contributing so much to the game, only sad he's wearing a Saints' shirt rather than a Chiefs'. He had awful injury problems with us but he has always had the makings of a first class player. Very best to him for his future career.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: ajack (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 09:40
A very good performance indeed, we actually looked much more like a team and some very good performances. Our defence looked so much better than it has and we executed some well worked moves and didn't panic.
I felt the pack really won the game never gave them quick ball and lots of turn overs, although as said above would that have been the case with live scrums all game? We did seem to lose our way a bit in the third quarter but got it back together at the end, credit for that.
For all that the decision from the ref to award us the penalty that Grayson kicked was a shocker but you need a bit of luck and we made the most of it.
Really good to see us beat a top side, I can see Sarries resting a few when we play them now so that might be easier than expected.
I felt the pack really won the game never gave them quick ball and lots of turn overs, although as said above would that have been the case with live scrums all game? We did seem to lose our way a bit in the third quarter but got it back together at the end, credit for that.
For all that the decision from the ref to award us the penalty that Grayson kicked was a shocker but you need a bit of luck and we made the most of it.
Really good to see us beat a top side, I can see Sarries resting a few when we play them now so that might be easier than expected.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Spockst (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 09:45
I think Garcia-Botta was a red so I guess that evens up. There were also a number of supposed breakdown penalties conceded by us and a couple of knock ons which looked 50/50.
Still that penalty was hardly a gimme so credit to the team, a balanced observer would say Saints deserved to win.
Still that penalty was hardly a gimme so credit to the team, a balanced observer would say Saints deserved to win.
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Posted by: Sir Hector (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 10:53
There were times when the Mitchel, Grayson, Hutchinson, Dingwall axis looked like a world-beating combo, creating space, opening gaps and putting players away. Previously it has looked defensively weak but today they were really good. Yes, Grayson makes some poor kick decisions from time to time, Mitch can overplay things and so too can Hutch. But the years of playing together in the academy and wandies clearly shows and when it clicks they are sublime!
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Posted by: Saint Maul (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 11:59
Surprised the ref didn't look at the Tizard's shoulder tackle on Courtney's head that resulted in Courtney's body catapulting back and concussing Paul Hill.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: St Marcus (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 12:24
Best game and atmosphere at FG for a few years last night. The first half was excellent, the speed of the recycling and handling of the ball was great to watch. The injuries were always going to make it hard so to dig in at the end for the win was fantastic. Credit to Grayson for nailing a very high pressure kick.
It was an immense team performance but thought Api, Lewis, Courtney (with at least one amazing fingertip catch), Mitch and Freeman were all particularly good. Hinkley also did very well, would like to see us keep him. Continue playing like that and we could pull off some surprises.
It was an immense team performance but thought Api, Lewis, Courtney (with at least one amazing fingertip catch), Mitch and Freeman were all particularly good. Hinkley also did very well, would like to see us keep him. Continue playing like that and we could pull off some surprises.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Walks11 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 12:40
Quote:. Saw that, very surprised on-one picked it up. Even ‘CARD CARD’ Healey missed itSaint Maul
Surprised the ref didn't look at the Tizard's shoulder tackle on Courtney's head that resulted in Courtney's body catapulting back and concussing Paul Hill.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Sir Hector (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 13:46
Quote:Saint Maul
Surprised the ref didn't look at the Tizard's shoulder tackle on Courtney's head that resulted in Courtney's body catapulting back and concussing Paul Hill.
Yes, I thought exactly the same, maybe the citing officer will have a look
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Whiston Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 15:23
Lewis was awesome and shouldering captains duties as well. He was MOM for me.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: SaintsDuncan (IP Logged)
Date: 30/04/2022 15:57
Quote:Whiston Saint
Lewis was awesome and shouldering captains duties as well. He was MOM for me.
Very shrewd in calling the scrum at the death too
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: BerniesBestFriend (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2022 10:38
The Tizard/Courtney incident is mentioned on the Quins message board and there seems to be a feeling that they may have dodged a red card bullet there.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Walks11 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2022 11:35
Quote:BerniesBestFriend
The Tizard/Courtney incident is mentioned on the Quins message board and there seems to be a feeling that they may have dodged a red card bullet there.
And yet they were robbed apparently
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Chris Hoddle (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2022 15:46
I looked at the reply of Courts incident. I didn't think there was much in it. As Tizzard came in it seemed that is arm brushed Courts cheek but the shoulder hit shoulder. I didn't see any jarring of Courts head as if it had been hit.
I didn't like in the review of games before the Irish game today They went on about the awarding of the last penalty especially as they said they didn't want to highlight it. There were plenty of other decisions they could have highlighted and analysed earlier in the game that stopped Saints scoring a try.
I didn't like in the review of games before the Irish game today They went on about the awarding of the last penalty especially as they said they didn't want to highlight it. There were plenty of other decisions they could have highlighted and analysed earlier in the game that stopped Saints scoring a try.
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Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2022 16:18
Quote:Chris Hoddle
I looked at the reply of Courts incident. I didn't think there was much in it. As Tizzard came in it seemed that is arm brushed Courts cheek but the shoulder hit shoulder. I didn't see any jarring of Courts head as if it had been hit.
I didn't like in the review of games before the Irish game today They went on about the awarding of the last penalty especially as they said they didn't want to highlight it. There were plenty of other decisions they could have highlighted and analysed earlier in the game that stopped Saints scoring a try.
Even Alex Ferguson used to say that refereeing decisions balanced out over the season. Usually!
The record book says we won. That's all I care about.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Dave Jackson (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2022 19:37
One of the Quins tries I am certain came from a forward pass on the build up that was missed As they say it balances out
I’d love a final at HQ against Quins . We both play exciting attacking rugby and will be a fine way to end to the season
I’d love a final at HQ against Quins . We both play exciting attacking rugby and will be a fine way to end to the season
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Posted by: SuffolkSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 02/05/2022 10:39
First Quins try shouldn't have stood, Lewis was cleared out from the last ruck around the neck - as they say, you could argue decisions across the whole game.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Walks11 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/05/2022 11:41
Charlie Morgan for the Telegraph has done an in depth piece on Aaron Hinkley’s performance on Friday, he was penalised by Carley on 69 minutes in exactly the same way as Wallace was in the final few minutes, so Quins fans Carley was consistent in how he interpreted the laws as gave penalties against each team for the same offence, you can’t have it both ways. It certainly wasn’t a howler of a decision
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 02/05/2022 16:44
Having now been able to watch the full match again, I just want to say how impressed I was with Aaron Hinkley. Less than a month to get up to speed with us, and yet he looked to the manor born.
A very good trial, I would say.
A very good trial, I would say.
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Posted by: LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 02/05/2022 21:16
Shame that article on Hinckley is paywalled- anything particularly revelatory in it?
His work rate was awesome, he’s not the biggest but hits above his weight in attack and defence, looks like a shrewd signing if he stays fit.
His work rate was awesome, he’s not the biggest but hits above his weight in attack and defence, looks like a shrewd signing if he stays fit.
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Posted by: LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 02/05/2022 21:16
Shame that article on Hinckley is paywalled- anything particularly revelatory in it?
His work rate was awesome, he’s not the biggest but hits above his weight in attack and defence, looks like a shrewd signing if he stays fit.
His work rate was awesome, he’s not the biggest but hits above his weight in attack and defence, looks like a shrewd signing if he stays fit.
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Posted by: Santiago (IP Logged)
Date: 02/05/2022 21:19
Sure sign him, don't pay too much, just keep him hungry
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Saint Ted (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2022 08:45
Quote:LeicesterSaint
Shame that article on Hinckley is paywalled- anything particularly revelatory in it?
His work rate was awesome, he’s not the biggest but hits above his weight in attack and defence, looks like a shrewd signing if he stays fit.
Create a burner email account and sign in you get one free article a week, this one is well worth it, requires all the pictures and videos within it for the full effect
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Posted by: Walks11 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2022 09:25
Quote:think you can get a free months trial for all Telegraph sportSaint TedQuote:LeicesterSaint
Shame that article on Hinckley is paywalled- anything particularly revelatory in it?
His work rate was awesome, he’s not the biggest but hits above his weight in attack and defence, looks like a shrewd signing if he stays fit.
Create a burner email account and sign in you get one free article a week, this one is well worth it, requires all the pictures and videos within it for the full effect
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Posted by: Saint Ted (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2022 09:59
Quote:Walks11Quote:think you can get a free months trial for all Telegraph sportSaint TedQuote:LeicesterSaint
Shame that article on Hinckley is paywalled- anything particularly revelatory in it?
His work rate was awesome, he’s not the biggest but hits above his weight in attack and defence, looks like a shrewd signing if he stays fit.
Create a burner email account and sign in you get one free article a week, this one is well worth it, requires all the pictures and videos within it for the full effect
I think you're right, that's what I did about 2 years ago and forgot to cancel it so I've been paying the whole time!
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Posted by: LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2022 10:12
That's my concern - I'd 100% forget to cancel and end up paying them a few months' subscriptions for reading that one article!
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2022 10:43
Quote:LeicesterSaint
That's my concern - I'd 100% forget to cancel and end up paying them a few months' subscriptions for reading that one article!
The trick I was taught was to place the order for the trial and the cancellation instructions at the same time - of course, for xx days hence.
It's worked for me so far.
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Posted by: FommyTreeman (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2022 18:16
Telegraph article was enjoyable but nothing revelatory for me. I think the romance of a trialist putting in a solid 75 mins in a do-or-die game was the main reason Hinkley was chosen for the article. It was nice to see his main contributions highlighted though, he put in a strong performance and earned a contract in my view.
Ludlam got the "Inside Line" Telegraph treatment the week before. Again, enjoyable but the standout section was the "Most post-contact metres from forwards this Premiership season" table. I heard someone on comms mention that Juarno Augustus topped this table but I didn't realise how convincingly. 593m post-contact in 156 carries. Second place is Ruan Ackermann with 544m in 223 carries! Ludlam is 13th in the table with 343m but that's from only 97 carries. Ewers has made 348m from 200 carries. The article suggests that Juarno's number is indicative of our use of back rowers out wide and there is truth in that, but jeez does he take some stopping - even in central traffic. Hoping his injury wasn't as bad as it looked!
Ludlam got the "Inside Line" Telegraph treatment the week before. Again, enjoyable but the standout section was the "Most post-contact metres from forwards this Premiership season" table. I heard someone on comms mention that Juarno Augustus topped this table but I didn't realise how convincingly. 593m post-contact in 156 carries. Second place is Ruan Ackermann with 544m in 223 carries! Ludlam is 13th in the table with 343m but that's from only 97 carries. Ewers has made 348m from 200 carries. The article suggests that Juarno's number is indicative of our use of back rowers out wide and there is truth in that, but jeez does he take some stopping - even in central traffic. Hoping his injury wasn't as bad as it looked!
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: Saint Gordo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/05/2022 22:05
Both Ludlum and Augustus are machines in the running game. I enjoy seeing both of them with the ball in hand. However. I also enjoy watching their opponents trying to tackle them.
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Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 09:22
As with all data, the use it is put to is often more interesting than the data itself.
Now put the number of tackles made successfully against those yards made figures and see what work is being done alongside the carrying.
What surprised me the other day was seeing how far down the list of tackles made Lewis is on the Premiership table. But we are now spreading the work around far more equitably than we have in the past.
So overall the workload seems quite nicely shared - for the moment.
Now put the number of tackles made successfully against those yards made figures and see what work is being done alongside the carrying.
What surprised me the other day was seeing how far down the list of tackles made Lewis is on the Premiership table. But we are now spreading the work around far more equitably than we have in the past.
So overall the workload seems quite nicely shared - for the moment.
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Posted by: Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 10:33
Very good point Longers. For far too long we asked too much of a few star players who always did well but were easy to target but right now everyone is heavily involved in the action and we have multiple people running into traffic, clearing out, competing at the breakdown, kicking for space, tackling hard. Teams don't know who to mark.
We need to be careful to use Augustus the right amount so he is still a threat in a years time and ensure we mix it up. Our versatility is our strength and we need to play to it.
We need to be careful to use Augustus the right amount so he is still a threat in a years time and ensure we mix it up. Our versatility is our strength and we need to play to it.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 10:43
The feeling seems to be that Exeter planned to use Hinckley as a smaller mobile 8 like Simmonds with two huge lumps at 6&7 - clearly we don't have the 'cattle' for that but he looks like he can do a job at 8 to give Trokkie a rest now and then (or Ludlam to 8). Our cup final backrow looks like being Courts, Trokkie and Ludlam for next season but with some great backups to cover and bring energy from the bench. Although they are nearly always likely to be slighter than their opposition they all carry and hit above their weight and should have the edge in agility and fitness.
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Posted by: Santiago (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 11:23
Thats the way rumours start. I doubt if england u20's, Gloucs or Saints considered him an 8.
Re: Saints v Quins Match Thread - Teams Up
Posted by: LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 12:31
Rumours about where he may play for Saints? Only the coaches will know their intentions in signing him, just my personal musings that he'll likely see game time across the backrow which is hugely useful for us. I think he only managed a handful of games for Exeter but at 8 with the rest of his rugby played on the flank so that likely is his preferred position.
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Posted by: Spockst (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 15:55
He’s a proper breakdown turnover specialist and although we have players that can do that, we don’t have a specialist per se
Good addition to the armoury
Good addition to the armoury
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Posted by: Santiago (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 16:12
He has done a good audition but it's still premature to assume he's been offered and has signed. He's still listed as an Exeter player.
Where did "The feeling seems to be that Exeter planned to use Hinckley as a smaller mobile 8 " come from?
Where did "The feeling seems to be that Exeter planned to use Hinckley as a smaller mobile 8 " come from?
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Posted by: LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 16:46
Described as an 8 in this match report (one of only 4 games I think he managed to play for Exeter) - [rugbyonslaught.com]
I'm sure I'd seen more analysis in another article about why Exeter signed him from Gloucester which I can't now find.
Interestingly (ish) while I was looking for that, he's listed as a Saints player on the Premiership Rugby website.
Nothing signed and sealed just yet but I'd be surprised if the coaches don't want to keep him on after that debut, unless he's after silly money which I doubt.
I'm sure I'd seen more analysis in another article about why Exeter signed him from Gloucester which I can't now find.
Interestingly (ish) while I was looking for that, he's listed as a Saints player on the Premiership Rugby website.
Nothing signed and sealed just yet but I'd be surprised if the coaches don't want to keep him on after that debut, unless he's after silly money which I doubt.
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Posted by: Spockst (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 18:16
Quote:Santiago
He has done a good audition but it's still premature to assume he's been offered and has signed. He's still listed as an Exeter player.
Where did "The feeling seems to be that Exeter planned to use Hinckley as a smaller mobile 8 " come from?
If that’s true, isn’t it weird that Exeter would allow him to play for us against Quins in a game that would directly hinder their own top 4 ambition ?
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Posted by: Santiago (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 19:41
He is still listed on Exeters website
[www.exeterchiefs.co.uk]
I do think he would be a good signing - a bit like Ben Earl in stature and skill set.
[www.exeterchiefs.co.uk]
I do think he would be a good signing - a bit like Ben Earl in stature and skill set.
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Posted by: shendy (IP Logged)
Date: 04/05/2022 19:41
I thought he had left Exeter / was let go - you don't tend to have loanees on trial, do you?
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