Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
By Saint Ted
October 4 2022
This is the Saints v Saracens Prem Cup match thread
Who: Northampton Saints v Saracens
When: Wednesday 5th October 2022 19:45
Where: Franklins Gardens
Tickets: Direct from Saints
Watch on: Not Televised
Match Day Info: Guide to the gardens
News from the club: O'ffy full story
Referee: Andrew Jackson
Assistant Referees: Charlie Gayther and Alex Thomas
No.4: Dean Richards
| Northampton Saints | Saracens | |
| James Ramm | 15 | Tobias Elliott |
| Courtnall Skosan | 14 | Ben Harris |
| Tom Litchfield | 13 | Brandon Jackson |
| Joel Matavesi | 12 | Josh Hallett |
| Frankie Sleightholme | 11 | Francis Moore |
| James Grayson | 10 | Manu Vunipola (c) |
| Callum Braley (c) | 9 | Sam Bryan |
| Alex Waller | 1 | James Flynn |
| Aston Gradwick-Light | 2 | Ethan Lewis |
| Oisín Heffernan | 3 | Eduardo Bello |
| Brandon Nansen | 4 | Alex Wardell |
| Tom Lockett | 5 | Kaden Pearce-Paul |
| Kayde Sylvester | 6 | Obinna Nkwocha |
| Henry Pollock** | 7 | Toby Knight |
| Aaron Hinkley | 8 | Ollie Stonham |
| Replacements: | ||
| Isaac Bell*** | 16 | Samson Adejimi |
| Marty Mulhall | 17 | Jevaughn Warren |
| Ehren Painter | 18 | Christian Judge |
| Emeka Atuanya | 19 | Max Eke |
| Angus Scott-Young | 20 | Nathan Michelow |
| Jake Garside | 21 | Charlie Bracken |
| Archie Kean | 22 | Jenson McInulty |
| Toby Thame | 23 | Charlie Reynolds-West |
| ** Saints Academy U18 | ||
| *** Guest Player |
Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Marching On (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 12:04
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Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Matthew (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 12:29
Just a few changes to the teams announced a month ago! I make it 5 'survivors' for Sarries and 7 for us.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Push Over (IP Logged)
Date: 04/10/2022 12:58
I’d love to see Hinckley have a great game….he was brilliant at the end of last season.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 15:21
Is this viewable anywhere but live?
Not familiar with Saints other than the obvious names who are about the main team but we look to have picked a side which is a much better match than the first time around.
Bello could be a good test of where Waller is currently as this will be his first time playing for us but I believe he will be our second choice TH. Hallet got his first senior cap against Quins? A few others like Knight, Stonham and Lewis have a few senior caps. Looking forward to seeing Harris on the wing too.
It will be interesting to see the Grayson v Vunipola head to head. I'm quite a fan of Vunipola but some of our supporters are less certain. Grayson feels like one of those with lots of potential who haven't quite hit it yet?
Other than Judge and Bracken I'm not familiar with the bench.
Hopefully it's a good game despite the weather.
Not familiar with Saints other than the obvious names who are about the main team but we look to have picked a side which is a much better match than the first time around.
Bello could be a good test of where Waller is currently as this will be his first time playing for us but I believe he will be our second choice TH. Hallet got his first senior cap against Quins? A few others like Knight, Stonham and Lewis have a few senior caps. Looking forward to seeing Harris on the wing too.
It will be interesting to see the Grayson v Vunipola head to head. I'm quite a fan of Vunipola but some of our supporters are less certain. Grayson feels like one of those with lots of potential who haven't quite hit it yet?
Other than Judge and Bracken I'm not familiar with the bench.
Hopefully it's a good game despite the weather.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Chris Hoddle (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 15:23
Think it will be on Radio Northampton


Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 15:40
Tks Chris.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: TimperleySaint (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 20:20
At the match. Hinkley has shaved his hair off and playing like a man possessed! A bit scrappy overall but some lovely tries.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: TimperleySaint (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 20:24
In other news water is wet and we're being mullered in the scrum. Waller has gone off and Prowse on. So I think 2 tight heads with Heffernan
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 21:31
Quote:TimperleySaint
In other news water is wet and we're being mullered in the scrum. Waller has gone off and Prowse on. So I think 2 tight heads with Heffernan
And how do you think it's going given the score at 21.30 hrs, ie 58-28?
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 21:36
Quote:StockersQuote:TimperleySaint
In other news water is wet and we're being mullered in the scrum. Waller has gone off and Prowse on. So I think 2 tight heads with Heffernan
And how do you think it's going given the score at 21.30 hrs, ie 58-28?
Gosh! 63-29 now. Hmmm...
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 21:45
Quote:StockersQuote:StockersQuote:TimperleySaint
In other news water is wet and we're being mullered in the scrum. Waller has gone off and Prowse on. So I think 2 tight heads with Heffernan
And how do you think it's going given the score at 21.30 hrs, ie 58-28?
Gosh! 63-29 now. Hmmm...
Live score link seems to be badgered! FT is 58-34 apparently
Still a good win, Skosan hat trick!
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: rugbymel (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 21:45
Final score is 58 - 34
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: TimperleySaint (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 21:58
Just got home. Fun game! We were really good in open play both in attack and defence. Totally dominant physically. Some brilliant tries. Hinkley and skosan were excellent (skosan pulled off a reinach-esque recovery tackle to save a certain try).
Braley looked classy, nanson physical, Grayson controlled well.
Stand out was Pollock though. Boy what a player.
Braley looked classy, nanson physical, Grayson controlled well.
Stand out was Pollock though. Boy what a player.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: TimperleySaint (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 22:07
Only negative was that we got taken apart (mostly) in the scrum and maul. Interesting because our players were generally bigger and more physical - why can't we translate that into the tight?
Their hooker scored 4 tries. He was a strong boy!
Their hooker scored 4 tries. He was a strong boy!
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Matthew (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 22:18
Pleasing that the final play of the match was stopping their rolling maul 5 yards out and forcing the turnover.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Dave Jackson (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 22:18
Our scrum was fine until Alwx Wallet was taken off after 35 mins. No doubt so he can feature iIn Sunday
Hinckley, Grayson and Skosun all had good games and must have a chance of a bench spot on Sunday
15 tries. Entertaining game with ball in play for long periods of time.
Good showing from some of the youngsters.
Hinckley, Grayson and Skosun all had good games and must have a chance of a bench spot on Sunday
15 tries. Entertaining game with ball in play for long periods of time.
Good showing from some of the youngsters.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Saint dolph (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 22:18
Really like the look of pollock. Looks like a class act .
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Dave Jackson (IP Logged)
Date: 05/10/2022 22:19
Quote:Saint dolph
Really like the look of pollock. Looks like a class act .
He is only 17. Back to school tomorrow.
Could be a real good one for the future.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Deesaint (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 06:37
Great win
As said more than one putting their hand up for selection
Thought Braley deserves a mention
Look forward to seeing what he can do when he gets a chance in first team
Isn’t good to get a win
As said more than one putting their hand up for selection
Thought Braley deserves a mention
Look forward to seeing what he can do when he gets a chance in first team
Isn’t good to get a win
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 08:46
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Sir Hector (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 09:27
Oooh good breakfast viewing. Looked a fun game and I have to say that the Sarries hooker had to work very hard for his scores, not all armchair rides as you might expect. Some good performances and some real endeavour as well, we do have a lot of strength in depth.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 09:44
Quote:Sir Hector
Oooh good breakfast viewing. Looked a fun game and I have to say that the Sarries hooker had to work very hard for his scores, not all armchair rides as you might expect. Some good performances and some real endeavour as well, we do have a lot of strength in depth.
Some very good performances, I agree.
I think "nuggety" for the Sarries hooker? Certainly powerful.
I love the way Tom Litchfield carries in two hands!
Not sure about Aaron Hinckley's barber!
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 09:48
That's a lot packed into 5 minutes!
That Sarries hooker certainly looks powerful, may be seeing some first team action with George out for a while.
From the highlights I'd agree with Matt Fergusson's comments about playing the same way - the difference is it looked like more stuck last night so we could concede 30+ points and still win comfortably!
Maybe Hinkley reads this board and has decided to be the psycho/hardman a lot want - he certainly looks the part now! Joking aside his impact (literally) last season was as a tackler, really stopping momentum in attack and getting turnovers. It may have just been playing 8 but he looked to really carry strongly last night, Ludlam esque in that he's not going to be the biggest 8 by a long shot but used footwork before contact and leg drive after to make ground.
That Sarries hooker certainly looks powerful, may be seeing some first team action with George out for a while.
From the highlights I'd agree with Matt Fergusson's comments about playing the same way - the difference is it looked like more stuck last night so we could concede 30+ points and still win comfortably!
Maybe Hinkley reads this board and has decided to be the psycho/hardman a lot want - he certainly looks the part now! Joking aside his impact (literally) last season was as a tackler, really stopping momentum in attack and getting turnovers. It may have just been playing 8 but he looked to really carry strongly last night, Ludlam esque in that he's not going to be the biggest 8 by a long shot but used footwork before contact and leg drive after to make ground.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Saint Ted (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 09:57
Quote:LeicesterSaint
Maybe Hinkley reads this board and has decided to be the psycho/hardman a lot want - he certainly looks the part now! Joking aside his impact (literally) last season was as a tackler, really stopping momentum in attack and getting turnovers. It may have just been playing 8 but he looked to really carry strongly last night, Ludlam esque in that he's not going to be the biggest 8 by a long shot but used footwork before contact and leg drive after to make ground.
That was my thought as well! I rocked up about a minute before kick off so had missed the teams being announced, and assumed Hinkley had been replaced in the squad until he got close enough that I could see his face!
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: shiversaint (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 10:50
Sarries hooker looks like an incredible talent, what an ability to carry momentum.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: batty (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 11:32
Only real down point was the penalty count which shows Mat Fergusson's comments
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: craig84 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 14:26
I enjoyed seeing Joel Matavesi at inside centre, having the power to run through defenders and his offloading was something i think we miss at the moment.
I'd like to see Nansen starting at lock and Coles onto the bench, purely for his extra power in the loose to gain us extra yards and tiring the opposition pack a bit more trying to stop him.
Maybe a back row of Hinkley,Ludlam and Augustus would work due to the doggedness of both flankers and power carrying of Augustus?
Certainly would like to see Braley on the bench for James.
Has there been any news on Ethan since going off with that awful looking knockout?
I'd like to see Nansen starting at lock and Coles onto the bench, purely for his extra power in the loose to gain us extra yards and tiring the opposition pack a bit more trying to stop him.
Maybe a back row of Hinkley,Ludlam and Augustus would work due to the doggedness of both flankers and power carrying of Augustus?
Certainly would like to see Braley on the bench for James.
Has there been any news on Ethan since going off with that awful looking knockout?
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: LeicesterSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 17:05
I worried Hinkley may be underpowered as an 8 but he didn't look it from the highlights!
History tells me that there should be a lanky 6 in the back row but perhaps that isn't needed any more. All three of Ludlam, Trokkie and Hinkley operate in the lineout but none of them really excel there.
History tells me that there should be a lanky 6 in the back row but perhaps that isn't needed any more. All three of Ludlam, Trokkie and Hinkley operate in the lineout but none of them really excel there.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: NGSB (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 19:21
Not too happy about defending the rolling maul but that game should bring in a few more for next weeks contest against Quins !
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 17:01
Still seen nothing but the highlights. Disappointing how poor our defence was but that was definitely also a measure of your physicality in the loose and the quality of your attack. Well done and good luck for the rest of the competition.
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: SaintsDuncan (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 12:28
Full match now up on the Prem site
Re: Saints v Saracens Prem Cup 5th October 2022 - Teams Up
Posted by: Longers (IP Logged)
Date: 08/10/2022 12:43
Quote:SaintsDuncan
Full match now up on the Prem site

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